Message: 6 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CinCVS] fixing cinelerra, using standard C++ libs etc. Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:26:19 +0100 Reply-To: [email protected] Am Mittwoch, den 07.03.2007, 10:20 +0100 schrieb Christian Thaeter: Finally I found some time to look at some cinelerra bugs. Cinelerra use

> quite some own things......
> I believe the code complexity could be lowered by replacing some
> things with standard or defacto-standard libs rather fixing the problems
...

Hello Christian,

I am much in favour of the cleanups you propose, indeed, many aspects of cinelerra source are hard to work with...

but, as I see it, the main problem is: will such changes be accepted "upstream"??

If not, we will end up with a de-facto code fork. (I state this without
intending any pun or hostility). /If/ we wanted a completely forked
"Community-Cinelerra", we would need much more dev manpower....

Cheers,
Hermann

Hey all,
First off, apologies if I am replying to this incorrectly - I usually read 
mailing lists, rarely post.

I thought Hermann's comment about dev manpower was worth me coming out of my 
shell.

I work as tech support at a film department in an University of fine art. I have been expounding the virtues of using an open source model in an educational and artistic setting for a few years now. It seems that ears are beginning to perk up. One main point of interest has become the Cinelerra project. We recognize Cinelerra as an amazingly powerful tool, but one which is not particularly usable for us as an institution in its present form. We have begun to piece together a two pronged approach for our film department with regards to open source software development - partnership with another local University and their computer sciences dept, and pursuing research grants. We have talked about some specific film related programs which currently don't exist, at least in the open source realm. We are also talking about Cinelerra. Here is where the community can really help out - and hopefully we can really help you guys too. I'm not a programmer by any stretch of the imagination, but I do have some idea of how big a project Cinelerra is. We've outlined a few things which we feel need to be "fixed up" before we can be serious about using Cinelerra as a core part of our program - reliability and ease of installation and use being two areas. Currently it seems there are functions which are not working properly - firewire import for one. Installation is also somewhat convoluted (though projects like Ubuntu Studio might help alleviate that problem). One large feature which is missing (or so it seems) for us is support for DVCPro HD in MXF wrappers (from the HVX200 camera).
Any thoughts or advice you as the developer community can pass on would be 
great.  In particular I would like to know more about how we could work with 
you guys to create the best possible software.  Also, in the case of the grants 
(if and when) - are there any cinelerra/linux developers out there who would 
consider working with us on contract?

I will remind everyone out there in cinelerraland that this is still in the 
very early stages of planning, but the idea does have the support of admin here 
at the school, so it is something that isn't just a pipe dream.  Please email 
me directly with ideas and suggestions, be it with the program itself, or with 
regards to how we as an institution with specific goals (which conceivably 
could differ from the CV project) do not can work positively with the community.

To sum up our basic goals for the project:

1. Have a feature rich, professional quality HD video editor which is usable as a teaching tool. 2. Stable codebase
3. Streamlined work flow.

4. Must not require a degree in computer science to install and set up to use.

5. Develop codecs to support our file type of choice - DVCPro HD in MXF 
wrapper.  (Red camera may expand this requirement.)

6. Maintain GPL status of project, and provide community with all research and 
development progress.

Thanks for taking the time to read all this.  I hope I'm not clogging up the 
list with this mammoth email.

Nathan Ryan (nryan~nscad.ca) replace ~ with @




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