On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:40:21 +0100, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Herman Robak wrote:
> ...and you'd better remember to index the MPEG files with a separate
> command-line program first, because otherwise it'll load them but they
> won't actually work.
Now, this was remedied quite a long time ago, as Cinelerra actually
indexes MPEG files automatically at load time now. It works for me,
honest! Which version are you basing your observations on?
I'm not sure. It's been a while since I tried to load an MPEG file, so
if it now auto-indexes, that's great, and I apologize for the confusion.
What I remember was from several years ago, when I wanted to load MPEG
files, and it did, but then seeking didn't work, and I had to read a
whole
lot of unhelpful Web pages before I found out that even though loading an
MPEG file causes the file to appear on the timeline, that's actually the
wrong way to do it, and you have to use an undocumented command line
utility first and load its output instead of the MPEG directly. If that
procedure no longer applies, nobody told me.
I assume you didn't really expect to be told personally, so I take
the above as a claim that there were no release notes telling about it.
However, I distinctly remember this feature being mentioned in the
release notes at the HV page, when it was introduced. I think it
came with Cinelerra 2.0.
Well, as far as DV is concerned, the _codec_ DV works, if it's in an
AVI or Quicktime container. That's what libdv is used for. Raw DV
may still be broken. I gave up using containerless DV long ago.
I don't have any DV files or equipment. My comments there were based
only
on the traffic I've seen on this mailing list. It looks to me like "How
can I use raw (containerless) DV?" is pretty high up on the list of most
frequently asked questions, and the answer people get is "You can't." and
I don't think it's a good answer.
It's an honest answer. And the workarounds are not very hard, although
annoying: A streamcopy (quick and lossless) into a container. Even non-
coders can learn it, and teach it to others. Only the coders can fix the
problem itself, and for some weird reason they are so much fewer than
the end users.
My guess on one reason people ask this
is that maybe they have a lot of raw DV files generated by other
software.
Yes indeed. Therefore the missing or broken support of raw DV
was truly annoying. Alas, broken features can be more aggravating
than missing features.
At this point I suspect quite a few readers of this mailing list
is rather irked by the message between the lines: "Do something!!"
Either because they can't, they don't have the time or they don't
feel like it. Or they think it's rude to complain loudly.
Somehow, those who _can_ make the fixes must be motivated to do
so. And I think this sub-thread is getting too sour to achieve
that.
--
Herman Robak
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