he john / edouard,

i do some 16 mm, but more super8 filming,
and for digitisation I work with a company -- costs a bit but fantastic quality: -- Cineco in Amsterdam:
http://www.cineco.nl/
I am sure there are comparable labs where you live,

you could inform with the Filmwerkplaats in Rotterdam, an independent lab for filmproduction,
they have a lot of experience with 16 mm.
http://agenda.wormweb.nl/tekstpagina_2kolom.php?request=studios&item=filmwerkplaats

check the specs of the super8 scanner used by Cineco on the site of super8lab:
http://www.super8.nl/english/e_telecine.htm
it gives an idea how telecine works

the results of a good difital conversion can be stunning :-)

best,
peter


Edouard Chalaron a écrit :
Hi John

You wont go anywhere close to what there is on the 16mm by using a camcorder and some sort of transfer box. The only way to go is to scan one frame at a time. 16 mm properly used is amzing, I ditched my camcorder for a 16mm Krasnosgorsk K3 camera. Best option : find someone to do it properly then get some quicktime 422 uncompressed files at original frame rate then you do the pulldown with varios tools (yuvfps, cinelerra etc..) The red shift is probably coming from the light bulb of the projector (is it daylight balance ?)
Contact me off listif you want
Cheers
E

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*From:* John Detwiler <[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected]
*Sent:* Saturday, 22 August, 2009 9:46:37 AM
*Subject:* [CinCV] Best practice: Restoring 16mm film to DVD?

I've been asked to transfer old 16mm film to DVD.  Unfortunately, the
first step is out of my control, and probably less-than-optimum: the
16mm film was simply projected (via ground glass) into a miniDV camera.

So...
(1) There's very bad red-shift (because of the age of the 16mm print),
which we can try to balance out but sometimes drives the camera beyond
its dynamic range.

(2) Bigger problem: the projector runs at 24fps, and the camera at 29.97
(interlaced).  As you expect:
    (a) Extreme flicker, 6 times per second;
    (b) Many frames are badly 'combed'.

I've tried various combinations of plug-ins (Inverse Telecine,
Deinterlace, Decimate, Field-to-Frame), but am not happy.

Is there a best practice that one can recommend for this situation
(other than 'reshoot at the right frame rate')?

Thanks!


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