What about Unlawful requests? For example, suppose someone went to oh say
ATT with out a Warrent and demanded they tap say most phones on their
network? Or let's say that someone from an alphabet soup organization taps
you on the shoulder and demands access to your traffic for some sort of
automated filtering? Thankfully I don't work in an environment where this
would ever come up but this was more of a thought experiment. I've worked in
a few provider networks where law enforcement requests have come up but the
requests always made sense along with the proper paper work accompanying
them and honestly I've never first hand observed the type of wide scale
monitoring that's been reported but the idea of the thing gives me the
shivers. I'm sorry if this is off topic I'll drop the thread if it is but
since CALEA was mentioned I was really curious why people bought in to it in
the first place.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jared Mauch" <[email protected]>
To: "Scott Granados" <[email protected]>
Cc: "david raistrick" <[email protected]>; "jp" <[email protected]>;
<[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] CALEA was Re: OT - Dark Fiber
Talk to your counsel about the compliance requests you get. You may be
able to get away without it, but you are required to comply with any
lawful requests, even if you don't like them. The same is true for any
business where you could get a lawful request for records.
Check out packetforensics if you need a device, much cheaper than others
in the space, their website can be a bit funny, but worth having a [free]
login.
- Jared
On Sep 4, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
Why does anyone comply with CALEA? Especially after the abuses of the
last 8 years and probably a lot farther back than that? I've been
reading about the requirements and the idea that ISPs cooperate with law
enforcement really makes me uneasy on a civil liberties basis. Does
Uncle Sam scare tactic people in to compliance? There's just something
about making things easier for the NSA and any number of alphabet soup
agencies that strikes me as unamerican (to use their own phrase against
them) and wrong. Or was it created simply to create a new space for
security products and C, J and the others were really good at lobbying?
Since it doesn't require the ISP to break open encrypted traffic it
almost makes me think a public key system that lets the end user encrypt
everything from phone to television with their own keys makes some sense
so there's nothing left in the clear for entertaining the James Bond
crowd! Probably not practical at all but this thread just convinced me
not to use split tunneling.;)
----- Original Message ----- From: "david raistrick"
<[email protected]
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To: "jp" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] OT - Dark Fiber
On Fri, 4 Sep 2009, jp wrote:
Regarding the topic... If someone provides dark fiber, would they be
subject to CALEA requirements to be able to tap and record the
I haven't followed CALEA-for-ISPs for a few years, but at least when it
was initially required, dark fiber providers won't need to comply with
CALEA. They're not providing network service. -lit- fiber providers
would because they're either providing network or telecom
service....but they generally wouldn't do it at the physical layer.
...david
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