In Lelio's case though ... say you went full on rock star with the Cisco AE and got 70% of list for a $1.5m buy ... $450k is still a helluva ask for a University to come up with to replace phones. That may put SLED in an awkward position of racing against an ominous clock to get all the handset replaced or face the consequence of not being able to upgrade past a certain point until all potentially "un registrable" phones are replaced.
Honestly, I'd like to see a SLED/GOV "grandfather" COP where orgs that can prove a justification be given a COP that allows these models to continue to register for an extended grace period (I.e extra year ... etc). Since the depreciation isn't truly a matter of function, rather a gored depreciation, I myself wouldn't see a problem with this. I think that would give Cisco a stronger mechanism to deprecate these older models with a predictable timeline AND, being nicer to these orgs that have sunk serious change with Cisco over the years. Win win if you ask me. Otherwise, you gonna see some of these cowboys and cowgirls hanging on to their v10's and v'11.0s till the disks stop spinning (maybe not THAT dramatic). All my opinion though ;). -Ryan On May 1, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Matthew Loraditch <mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com<mailto:mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com>> wrote: Also there are promos to knock these to 70-75% off list until the end of the FY. You’d save 66% off your estimate possibly. Cisco really wants old phones out and you get Stephen’s fantastic software for gratis. Users can replace their own phones (if you are feeling frisky) Matthew G. Loraditch – CCNP-Voice, CCNA-R&S, CCDA Network Engineer Direct Voice: 443.541.1518 Facebook<https://www.facebook.com/heliontech?ref=hl> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/HelionTech> | LinkedIn<https://www.linkedin.com/company/helion-technologies?trk=top_nav_home> | G+<https://plus.google.com/+Heliontechnologies/posts> From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Welsh Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 2:53 PM To: Lelio Fulgenzi <le...@uoguelph.ca<mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> Cc: cisco-voip voyp list <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Field Notice: Cisco Unified Communications Manager Release 12.0(x) does not support some deprecated phone models - Cisco True, no avoiding the hard cost of the phones, but we have clients that would spend almost as much as the phone on services to replace the phone, so that would be £3 million ;) Kind Regards Stephen Welsh CTO <image001.png> On 1 May 2017, at 19:50, Lelio Fulgenzi <le...@uoguelph.ca<mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote: 5,000 sets x $300/set = $1.5 million. “Mostly” in this case is quite significant. --- Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure Computing and Communications Services (CCS) University of Guelph 519-824-4120 Ext 56354 le...@uoguelph.ca<mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs<http://www.uoguelph.ca/ccs> Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1 From: Stephen Welsh [mailto:stephen.we...@unifiedfx.com] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 12:36 PM To: Lelio Fulgenzi Cc: Ryan Huff; Brian Meade; cisco-voip voyp list Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Field Notice: Cisco Unified Communications Manager Release 12.0(x) does not support some deprecated phone models - Cisco I’m case you are not aware, getting MigrationFX for free means it doesn’t have to be hard or expensive: http://www.unifiedfx.com/get-migrationfx-for-free/ This is one of the reasons Cisco are starting to depreciate handsets, upgrading phones is ‘mostly' a hardware cost. Kind Regards Stephen Welsh CTO <image001.png> On 1 May 2017, at 17:17, Lelio Fulgenzi <le...@uoguelph.ca<mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote: Unfortunately, a lot of the ability to replace things comes from the end of support dates and the actual deprecation of devices being published. Without that, funding is diverted to things that need it. At least we’re seeing these deprecation notices a bit sooner (I think) so that helps. I’ll tell you – with over 5000 7940/60s in the field – it ain’t gonna be pretty. But we’re working on it. --- Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure Computing and Communications Services (CCS) University of Guelph 519-824-4120 Ext 56354 le...@uoguelph.ca<mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs<http://www.uoguelph.ca/ccs> Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1 From: Ryan Huff [mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 10:23 AM To: Brian Meade Cc: Lelio Fulgenzi; cisco-voip voyp list Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Field Notice: Cisco Unified Communications Manager Release 12.0(x) does not support some deprecated phone models - Cisco My guess is because of SLED and GOV. The 40s and 60s were nearly indestructible tanks with many still running. Cisco maybe giving them a longer shelf life to make the CapEx burden for new handsets easier to spread by slowly transitioning those models. I wouldn't count on them being around forever or much longer though :). On May 1, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Brian Meade <bmead...@vt.edu<mailto:bmead...@vt.edu>> wrote: Very surprised to not see 7940/7960 in there. On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 12:54 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <le...@uoguelph.ca<mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote: Deprecation of old(er) phone models continue The following phone models are newly deprecated as of the 12.0(x) release: • Cisco Unified Wireless IP Phone 7921 • Cisco Unified IP Phone 7970 • Cisco Unified IP Phone 7971 http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/rel_notes/12_0_1/deprecated_phones/cucm_b_deprecated-phone-models-for-1201.html Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip _______________________________________________ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip _______________________________________________ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip _______________________________________________ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip _______________________________________________ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip
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