Hey, could be worse, could be those of us stuck on v9 because of being on
physical hardware!
Ben Amick
Telecom Analyst
From: cisco-voip [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ryan
Huff
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 3:23 PM
To: Matthew Loraditch <[email protected]>
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Field Notice: Cisco Unified Communications Manager
Release 12.0(x) does not support some deprecated phone models - Cisco
In Lelio's case though ... say you went full on rock star with the Cisco AE and
got 70% of list for a $1.5m buy ... $450k is still a helluva ask for a
University to come up with to replace phones. That may put SLED in an awkward
position of racing against an ominous clock to get all the handset replaced or
face the consequence of not being able to upgrade past a certain point until
all potentially "un registrable" phones are replaced.
Honestly, I'd like to see a SLED/GOV "grandfather" COP where orgs that can
prove a justification be given a COP that allows these models to continue to
register for an extended grace period (I.e extra year ... etc). Since the
depreciation isn't truly a matter of function, rather a gored depreciation, I
myself wouldn't see a problem with this.
I think that would give Cisco a stronger mechanism to deprecate these older
models with a predictable timeline AND, being nicer to these orgs that have
sunk serious change with Cisco over the years. Win win if you ask me.
Otherwise, you gonna see some of these cowboys and cowgirls hanging on to their
v10's and v'11.0s till the disks stop spinning (maybe not THAT dramatic). All
my opinion though ;).
-Ryan
On May 1, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Matthew Loraditch
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Also there are promos to knock these to 70-75% off list until the end of the
FY. You’d save 66% off your estimate possibly.
Cisco really wants old phones out and you get Stephen’s fantastic software for
gratis. Users can replace their own phones (if you are feeling frisky)
Matthew G. Loraditch – CCNP-Voice, CCNA-R&S, CCDA
Network Engineer
Direct Voice: 443.541.1518
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From: cisco-voip [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Stephen Welsh
Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 2:53 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Field Notice: Cisco Unified Communications Manager
Release 12.0(x) does not support some deprecated phone models - Cisco
True, no avoiding the hard cost of the phones, but we have clients that would
spend almost as much as the phone on services to replace the phone, so that
would be £3 million ;)
Kind Regards
Stephen Welsh
CTO
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On 1 May 2017, at 19:50, Lelio Fulgenzi
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
5,000 sets x $300/set = $1.5 million.
“Mostly” in this case is quite significant.
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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
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Computing and Communications Services (CCS)
University of Guelph
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From: Stephen Welsh [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 12:36 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi
Cc: Ryan Huff; Brian Meade; cisco-voip voyp list
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Field Notice: Cisco Unified Communications Manager
Release 12.0(x) does not support some deprecated phone models - Cisco
I’m case you are not aware, getting MigrationFX for free means it doesn’t have
to be hard or expensive:
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This is one of the reasons Cisco are starting to depreciate handsets, upgrading
phones is ‘mostly' a hardware cost.
Kind Regards
Stephen Welsh
CTO
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On 1 May 2017, at 17:17, Lelio Fulgenzi
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Unfortunately, a lot of the ability to replace things comes from the end of
support dates and the actual deprecation of devices being published. Without
that, funding is diverted to things that need it. At least we’re seeing these
deprecation notices a bit sooner (I think) so that helps.
I’ll tell you – with over 5000 7940/60s in the field – it ain’t gonna be
pretty. But we’re working on it.
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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure
Computing and Communications Services (CCS)
University of Guelph
519-824-4120 Ext 56354
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From: Ryan Huff [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 10:23 AM
To: Brian Meade
Cc: Lelio Fulgenzi; cisco-voip voyp list
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Field Notice: Cisco Unified Communications Manager
Release 12.0(x) does not support some deprecated phone models - Cisco
My guess is because of SLED and GOV. The 40s and 60s were nearly indestructible
tanks with many still running. Cisco maybe giving them a longer shelf life to
make the CapEx burden for new handsets easier to spread by slowly transitioning
those models.
I wouldn't count on them being around forever or much longer though :).
On May 1, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Brian Meade
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Very surprised to not see 7940/7960 in there.
On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 12:54 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Deprecation of old(er) phone models continue
The following phone models are newly deprecated as of the 12.0(x) release:
• Cisco Unified Wireless IP Phone 7921
• Cisco Unified IP Phone 7970
• Cisco Unified IP Phone 7971
http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/rel_notes/12_0_1/deprecated_phones/cucm_b_deprecated-phone-models-for-1201.html
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