Just to follow up on this...

The CLI commands allow you to set all the requirements of backup devices and 
scheduled backups, but the "show" feature is lacking. The listing of backup 
devices don't show the number of backups kept and the listing of the schedules 
don't show the actual time the backups take place. 

I guess it is what it is. 

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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure
Computing and Communications Services (CCS)
University of Guelph

519-824-4120 Ext 56354
le...@uoguelph.ca
www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
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Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1

-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Lelio 
Fulgenzi
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 2:28 PM
To: Matthew Loraditch; NateCCIE; 'Pawlowski, Adam'; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] um, where'd the scheduled backups go in PLM


True enough. I guess what I was trying to say was, by having a standalone xLM 
server, it's not dependent on the co-res server staying up. And because version 
compatibility was not straightforward when we installed things, a standalone 
server allowed us to service licenses until no longer compatible, then just 
spin up a new server and migrate/request new licenses.

I guess it's all what you're comfortable with, either way would work.

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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure
Computing and Communications Services (CCS) University of Guelph

519-824-4120 Ext 56354
le...@uoguelph.ca
www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1


-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Loraditch [mailto:mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 2:01 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi; NateCCIE; 'Pawlowski, Adam'; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] um, where'd the scheduled backups go in PLM

You can still pool even if it's not standalone

-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Lelio 
Fulgenzi
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 10:51 AM
To: NateCCIE <natec...@gmail.com>; 'Pawlowski, Adam' <aj...@buffalo.edu>; 
cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] um, where'd the scheduled backups go in PLM


For us, it's the license pooling that is of benefit. Spare licenses can be used 
to quickly spin up a lab cluster for testing, etc. 

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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure
Computing and Communications Services (CCS) University of Guelph

519-824-4120 Ext 56354
le...@uoguelph.ca
www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1


-----Original Message-----
From: NateCCIE [mailto:natec...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:48 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi; 'Pawlowski, Adam'; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] um, where'd the scheduled backups go in PLM

I have removed all of the standalone PLM/ELMs from my customers.  It just 
didn't make sense to have to worry about another box.  I never found a use case 
that having a separate box actually made a difference.

-----Original Message-----
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Fulgenzi
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:41 AM
To: Pawlowski, Adam <aj...@buffalo.edu>; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] um, where'd the scheduled backups go in PLM

Thanks for the feedback. I'll have to look at the CLI scheduling options. 

I see that it's going away in v12 (smart only) but we'll be on v11 for the next 
couple of years at least. So I'd like to see this working. We'll have to watch 
out for server restarts. I have a script that checks for daily backups so that 
would theoretically catch it.


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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure
Computing and Communications Services (CCS) University of Guelph

519-824-4120 Ext 56354
le...@uoguelph.ca
www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1


-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of 
Pawlowski, Adam
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:33 PM
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] um, where'd the scheduled backups go in PLM

You can schedule it from the CLI but I find that restarting this machine in the 
past has turned this backup off, and I would have to go reschedule it and turn 
it on.

If you're using it for usage reporting this is probably more concerning than if 
it is just providing licensing. Since we don't often issue new licenses out 
into our system the "restore" would just be missing that usage data but would 
be fine to restore licensing should we have to rebuild this machine.
(Standalone PLM).

Supposedly it is gone after 11.5 anyways so I am not too concerned about it.
I don't know how the "satellite" works at this point to tell if it is just the 
same thing as PLM again or not.

Best,

Adam Pawlowski
SUNYAB NCS




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From: Lelio Fulgenzi <le...@uoguelph.ca>
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Yes ? we?re looking at a stand alone PLM. We have multiple voicemail and cucm 
clusters and liked the idea of separate xLMs.

In the GUI, I just have backup/restore. That?s it. No devices, no schedules, 
nothing. Not even # of copies to keep. Docs say that?s limited to 2.



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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure
Computing and Communications Services (CCS) University of Guelph

519-824-4120 Ext 56354
le...@uoguelph.ca
www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1

From: Ryan Huff [mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 10:19 AM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi
Cc: voyp list, cisco-voip (cisco-voip@puck.nether.net)
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] um, where'd the scheduled backups go in PLM

Are you dealing with a standalone PLM? If it's co-res, you'd just backup the 
PLM feature in the normal CUCM DRS.

For standalone, you should be able to use all the normal CLI DRS utilities (or 
activate the CUCM application for the purpose of accessing DRS).

Thanks,

Ryan

On Jun 27, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi 
<le...@uoguelph.ca<mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

So, just setting up PLM, and I noticed, surprisingly enough, that the 
backup/restore menu is a simplified menu of what ELM had.

Basically, just backup/restore.

No scheduled backups, no different backup device configurations.

While I can appreciate not much changing in the licensing manager, it?s still a 
drag to see this gone. We built some workflow and recovery strategies based on 
this.

Any ideas as to why this happened?


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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure
Computing and Communications Services (CCS) University of Guelph

519-824-4120 Ext 56354
le...@uoguelph.ca<mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>
www.uoguelph.ca/ccs<http://www.uoguelph.ca/ccs>
Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1

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