14400 works nicely.

Until it doesn’t.

And then you use 9600.

From: cisco-voip <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Meade
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2018 2:24 PM
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Cc: Adrian Arevalo-Orozco <[email protected]>; 
[email protected]; Jonatan Quezada <[email protected]>; 
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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] refining dial peers for Fax


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It really does seem to help from what I've seen.  Users have accepted faxing is 
going to be slow.  Most machines I find have it set to 9600 anyways.

On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 2:17 PM, Anthony Holloway 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
/squints eyes
Not sure if sarcasm, or helpful.

On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 12:48 PM Brian Meade 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I like to limit down to 9600.  That seems to work out much better.

On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Anthony Holloway 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
What's the explanation for setting the fax machine itself to 14400, or the 
dial-peer for that matter, when for the most part SG3 is not supported, and SG3 
gets spoofed down to G3, and the command "fax rate voice", which is the 
default, already caps at 14400?

I might have explained that poorly, but basically, I see 14400 speeds all the 
time, and I don't change the fax rate command nor set the speed on the machine.

I'm not challenging what you're saying, just trying to understand it.  Fax has 
been a pain for me, just like everyone else, so the more I know, the better I 
can deal with it.

I do like to avoid unnecessary config when possible, but in this case, I just 
don't know if there is proven evidence, that you need to do these two things.

On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 11:35 AM Ryan Huff 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Set the TX/RX rate at 14400 kbps and turn ECM. I would do that at the machine 
level first, and/or the dial-peer level second.
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On May 8, 2018, at 12:17, Jonatan Quezada 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
we are finding that after our sip cutover, that our faxes are happiest 
signalling over a T1 connection that originally we were trying to get away 
from, however trouble shooting was terrible and we are moving past having all 
voice traffic on the SIP trunk.

Currently we are signalling for voice( calls ) only on the trunk and fax 
traffic can come in and out via that T1.

My question is , still every so often we are seeing fax drops and incomplete 
page transmissions.

looking at the controller the interface is solid no slips and seems to 
negotiate the connections just fine. but again every so often there are drops 
or sending fails altogether.

We are wanting to try limiting the transmission rates but on the ATA190 and 
191s you cannot rate limit on the device. It sounds like this needs to done at 
the dial peer level. if so what is the best starting configuration for the dial 
peers that will handle on ly fax and go out a certain gateway that has the T1 
on it?

https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/voice-unified-communications/unified-border-element/115742-fax-modem-call-flows-00.html

Im looking at this call flow

Telco - PRI - GW - MGCP - CUCM - SIP - ATA187 - 
Fax/Modem<https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/voice-unified-communications/unified-border-element/115742-fax-modem-call-flows-00.html#anc7>

except the ATAs are 190 and 191s

If we go the dial peer route, since the DID are not contiguous I will need a 
dial peer for each one huh?








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