I agree that hard work and studying is the only way to truley accomplish
certification and be worth your weight.  I do want to re-iterate though
that the questionairre does in fact play a part in scoring your test, and
if nothing else, you should answer it honestly (in other words, don't get
saying you have advanced experience in every single subject, and are a
jedi knight of the internet then expect an easy scoring).

some people may not pay attention to the questionairre and pencil wip it,
which may prove to be a bad idea.

I feel "exam crams" should only be used for those who already have a solid
foundation of the subject at hand, and just need to be refreshed as to
what topics and key items may be on the test.  

Personally i think ciscopress books are among the best for any of these
tests, but they are avoided often because they go very much in depth and
can be quite long (usually 600-800 pages).  People get turned off, and
they go an easier route.  Don't get me wrong, alot of other companies make
great books............all I am saying is reading a "routing exam
cram" that is 150-200 pages, vs. Routing TCP/IP which is 800
pages..............something gets lost there, and it may prove to be
essential information down the road.

Brian


On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Nigel Taylor wrote:

> Hey,
>                     I don't suppose anyone is planning on going to take the
> lab anticipating that they
> become a *CCIE* by merely how well they complete the survey...
> 
> OOPS..!!   No, survey..  When taking the lab..  Does any of our
> resident(studygroup) CCIE's
> care to comment.
> 
> Enough already......
> Nigel
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chuck Larrieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; shanseverijn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 6:40 AM
> Subject: RE: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
> 
> 
> > Let's see.... I answered the quiz at the beginning of the CID exam, and
> > failed. I went home, studied those parts where my scores were very low,
> came
> > back a week later, answered the survey the same way, and passed with miles
> > to spare. Yeah, I guess Cisco was gunning for me the first time, and
> somehow
> > they failed to notice second time.
> >
> > Hey gang, it ain't the survey.
> >
> > Chuck
> > Snapping my fingers to keep the elephants away. It must work because there
> > aren't any elephant around these parts.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> > Brian
> > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 8:43 PM
> > To: shanseverijn
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Exam 350-001,  I'm so pissed!
> >
> >
> > shannon,
> >
> > you bring up a good point.  All the cisco tests make you take the
> > questionairre in the beginning (as you of course know), and a disclaimer
> > says that your final score will depend on how you answer that
> > questionaire.  I am curious to as to what effect the questionaire has on
> > the actual score and how it is calculated.
> >
> > On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, shanseverijn wrote:
> >
> > > I just want to say for the record that this exam is a bunch of   B.S.
> All
> > > you tell you why.  I took this test like a cuople weeks after I finished
> > my
> > > CCNP/CCDP just to see where I stand and what I need to hit for this
> thing.
> > > Let me say that the CCIE exam 350-001 is highly overraded.  So I scored
> a
> > > modest 60% the first time.  Not bad for not really studying and just
> going
> > > off of experience and Theory.  The problem I have is after studying for
> > what
> > > I needed and knowing that I was going to tear this test a new A-hole I
> > went
> > > in took  the test and did everything the same except in the questionaire
> > > that I filled out I marked that I was proficient in alot more areas than
> I
> > > did the first time.  The result well after blazing through the test in
> an
> > > hour and feeling DAMN confident that I got at least a 90% on the sucker
> I
> > > ended up getting a 58%.  I WAS LIVID!!!!  I was like what the hell???  I
> > got
> > > ROBBED!!!  I only missed honestly like 5 questions.  I can recite the
> > whole
> > > damn test in my sleep!  I don't understand!  I am so dman fustrated I
> > can't
> > > even see straight.  Why am I writing this?  Well I want to know do they
> > > gauge or do anything weird with what you mark for what are you are
> > > proficient in, in the questionnaire in the beginning of the test????
> Like
> > > weighingthe questions differently the second time around or something
> > weird
> > > like that...
> > >
> > > Somebody tell me....
> > > PS.  The Exam Cram for the exam is excellent as usual.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Shannon Severijn
> > > CCNP, CCDP, MCSE
> > > Snot-Nosed Gen. X Punk Kid... (Cisco Mercenary)
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
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