Hi all
One of the questions in the survey is who do you work for.
Bearing in mind that Cisco employees have a different pass-mark, need I say
any more?
BTW passed my CCIE design written today :)
Now only if I didn't have to wait so long to retake my r/s lab!!!!
Andy Lennon
CCNP/DP MCSE
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Priscilla Oppenheimer
Sent: 31 August 2000 19:16
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kevin Wigle
Subject: Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
I never asked Cisco about the survey. I asked whether the tests were
adaptive, (i.e. would change based on answers you give to the technical
questions early on in the test.) The answer was no. I'm sure that the
survey does not affect the questions you get either.
Cisco did say that some questions are weighted more than others. But that's
not the same as adaptive and is not relevant to the survey.
Assuming that Cisco's training department adds any complex test processing
features, when they can barely ship a valid test with logical questions and
objectives not written by lucky monkeys, is just falling for FUD. (fear,
uncertainty and doubt &;-)
Priscilla
At 10:03 PM 8/30/00, you wrote:
>Well, I've been up on the archives just now and searched on
>"oppenheimer;survey" as well as many other combos - no luck.
>
>Can you shed more light?
>
>Kevin Wigle
>
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>Sent: Wednesday, 30 August, 2000 12:19
>Subject: RE: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
>
>
> > Look in the archives. Princilla Oppenheimer asked cisco about whether
the
> > surwey affects the score and posted the answer to this list a few months
> > ago. I can not explain it better than cisco did.
> > regards
> > Jon Eggert Gudmundsson
> > MCSE,CCNA,CCDA
> > Network Administrator
> > Icelandic Banks Data Center
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kevin Wigle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 27. �g�st 2000 23:15
> > To: Brian; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Nigel Taylor; Chuck Larrieu
> > Subject: Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
> >
> >
> > Although the idea that the survey affects the score is interesting, I
too
> > cannot fathom how the survey matters.
> >
> > You can answer the survey different for every exam. Where is the
>continuity
> > there? And explain to me the difference between a "beginning" CCIE
> > Candidate and a "seasoned" CCIE Candidate.
> >
> > Changing your answers to the survey seems like an easy way to improve
your
> > odds. How would Cisco know that your survey answers are correct?
> >
> > In truth, I don't think I have answered all the surveys the same as I
have
> > grown from the first Cisco exam over 2 years ago to completing CCDP/CCDP
> > just last month.
> >
> > Nah, I don't think the survey means anything to us. I do think that
Cisco
> > wants to know the demographics of who is taking what exams.
Unfortunately
> > this would mean that Cisco is adding a little scare tactic to get you to
> > answer their survey but perhaps adding a little more anxiety when you
need
> > it least.
> >
> > my .02 cents
> >
> > Kevin Wigle
> > CCDP/CCNP...........
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Nigel Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, 27 August, 2000 17:24
> > Subject: Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
> >
> >
> > > On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have to agree with Chuck on this matter. The survey IS NOT / CAN'T
>BE
> > an
> > > > influence on your score. The cisco exams are not even "adaptive"
like
> > the Novell
> > > > exams. The questions are pulled from a pool established by
evaluating
> > the beta
> > > > exam results and a certain number of questions are pulled for each
> > subsection of
> > > > the exam. There really would be no point to making the exam
difficulty
> > relative to
> > > > survey responses. If Cisco did that, the exams would be WORTHLESS,
> > allowing you to
> > > > sandbag them by answering that you are a complete novice. What is
the
> > CCIE written
> > > > supposed to do ? Fill out the survey that you have 2 weeks
experience
> > and it'll
> > > > give you CCNA-level questions instead of asking about obscure
details
>of
> > token
> > > > ring? The difficulty level of the exam is a constant, not a
variable.
> > >
> > > Read the disclaimer next time you test. It clearly states that how
you
> > > answer the questionairre will influence your score. Cisco tests are
not
> > > adaptive, but they are weighted. If you are a beginner, you would be
> > > expected not to miss questions on fundementals......perhaps those are
> > > weighted more, vs. questions that are more advanced which it may weigh
> > > less for a beginner. If you claim you are the God of networking, you
> > > would probably get more weight to more advanced questions, and
penalized
> > > less for missing beginner questions that might be say something
someone
> > > more advanced may have forgotten.
> > >
> > > I do not know "how" they do it........I am just going by what they
tell
> > > you when you test, and this is for the professional tests not just the
> > > CCIE tests........they clearly state that "how you answer this
> > > questionairre will influence how your test is
scored"............doesn't
> > > seem to vaugue to me.......
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> >
> >
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