Question, Is it the experts that kill networks in real life? (probably)
When does it become worth it?... How about the period (today) where
companies
are paying vast amounts of money for CCIE's to be part of their network
team.
That's when it becomes worth it. If you are good enough then prove it, 2
days
out of your life to do a lab test is not a long time. I spent a little more
than 7 years of my life at university doing a PHD in Physics but was unable
to
get a job so went into IT (was all that education worth it), some might
argue
that it was. Certifications will always exist and if it sells then you got
to
have one. I believe in the contracting market it is important to combine
the
experience with recognised certification.
>===== Original Message From "Robert Padjen" =====
>Chuck -
>
>I always enjoy the positions you present. You are
>correct, although I am concerned with the posture that
>a CCIE is an expert-regardless of the title on the
>certification. My issue is that an expert would know
>better than to create a small network with OSPF, RIP,
>BGP, EIGRP and IGRP, while then killing themselves to
>fix it. In the same vain, a test, and success on that
>test, would at best show mastery of the materials on
>that test. The hard and soft skills needed to be an
>expert in this field are well beyond any certification
>exam.
>
>For example, I work as an expert witness in legal
>matters. I carry the title 'expert' as I am
>knowledgeable, certified, published and practiced in
>the area of expertise. Even with all this, I need to
>learn and integrate legal concepts and technical ones
>in order to do the job well.
>
>My perception of the CCIE (and other certs) is that
>many networkers feel that its a one-time deal. I got a
>840/1000 - I'm hot *$&@. ;) This is the construct
>that bothers me the most. In the absence of a better
>alternative it's what we have, but it still concerns
>me and I think as an industry we can do better.
>
>
>--- Chuck Larrieu wrote:
>> As someone who has devoted a bit of time and more
>> than a couple of dollars
>> pursuing certification, and as someone who has
>> failed one lab attempt, and
>> as someone who collects good advice from CCIE's and
>> others, I can no longer
>> resist opening my big mouth on this.
>>
>> The CCIE Lab exam is a test. Nothing more. Nothing
>> less. It has nothing to
>> do with good practice. It has nothing to do with
>> real world.
>>
>> Consider: Cisco wants you to be able to redistribute
>> between any two
>> protocols. How do you test this, given the
>> constraints of the lab?
>>
>> Cisco wants you to understand routing protocol
>> behaviour. How do you test
>> that? Do bizarre redistribution requirements and
>> constraints provide just
>> such a means?
>>
>> Cisco wants you to understand the implications of
>> NMBA on Cisco routers. How
>> do you test that?
>>
>> Cisco wants you to understand how OSPF works? How do
>> you test that,
>> particularly in conjunction with NMBA?
>>
>> Cisco wants you to understand how routing works. How
>> do you test a
>> candidate's real understanding if you can fake your
>> way through by using
>> static routes?
>>
>> Cisco wants you to understand a number of
>> alternative solutions to a number
>> of problems. So they create scenarios which require
>> a number of
>
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