I don't know where you dug up these "CCIEs". I know a couple of
people who have recently passed and a couple of others in my group who
have gone to the lab once and get to go again and several others who
have made it. Do they know everything, hell no but I can tell you
everyone of them has busted their ass to attain the knowledge and even
more importantly the hands on required to pass the lab.
I recently took my CCIE recert and I failed by 4 points. It's a damn
book test that you pass only by cramming for a couple of days and
regurgitating the results on test day.
I think that's the beauty of lab, reading books ain't gonna do it.
Prior to taking the CCIE I went to one Cisco class, the reason I was
able to get thru was the REAL world experience I had gained on the job
and lots of lab exercises and I think the same is true for others though
I'm sure I'll find out if I'm wrong:)
Is the CCIE cert perfect, of coarse not but it's a damn sight better
than many other certifications one can obtain.
off the soap box...
Dave
Matthew Crane wrote:
>
> After 20+ years in the IT business & having just completed a series of
> interviews for a CCIE post, I have to agree that paper qualifcations are
not
> a measure of ability. These are some of the questions asked with answers of
> people with genuine CCIE certifcation.
> They are not likely to keep their certifcations as Cisco were present at
> these interviews.
>
> q. What is the maximum size Ethernet frame
> a. 4096
> q. Bits or Bytes
> a. Bits
>
> q. How many bits in an IPX address & subnet mask
> a. 48 in the address & 72 in the mask.
>
> q. Take me through the process of creating a VLAN across 2 switches
> a. type vtp enable in global configuration mode
> q. Anything else
> a. Reload the switches
>
> Get the idea, so people do not assume because you can read books and pass a
> few exams that you know anything about the REAL world of networking. The
> point Larry is making is true of any form of Cisco certifcation be it CCNA,
> CCDA CCNP or indeed any form of certifcation generally.
>
> Oh and for the record Cisco asked to come along to the interviews because
of
> a long discussion I had with their senior managers in the UK about the
> devaluation of the certifcation program. Remember the answers above all
came
> from so called CCIE's
> Don Claybrook wrote:
> >
> > I just ran across this one in Fortune Small Business. Below is
> > an excerpt.
> > The journalist (Larry Seltzer) is attempting to give tips on
> > how to hire
> > technical consultants to do work for your small business. He's
> > talking about
> > how certifications aren't as important as one might think:
> >
> > "When looking for qualified help, don't read too much into a
> > consultant's
> > alphabet soup of certifications. They don't signify ability,
> > just as my
> > political science degree doesn't make me your next President.
> > Terms like CCIE
> > (Cisco Certified Internetwork Expert) indicate only successful
> > completion of
> > the program and minimal competence in the product."
> >
> > I wish I knew this guy's email address. Anyway, I thought the
> > group might get
> > a kick out of it. Here's the link in case you want to read the
> > whole thing:
> > http://netbusiness.netscape.com/fsb/features/sp_f_090601_1.psp
> >
> > Don Claybrook
> > CCNP, CCDP (but not yet up to the minimal competence level of
> > CCIE)
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