I think it is turning around, my phone has just recently been ringing a
lot for contracts. And they know not to call with Mc Donald's hamburger
contracts. I am in a bad area for tech PA. And if you are in Florida,
that is not a great area either for tech.

Like I said, everyone moved out of here, so what is left is just the
exact amount of engineers with the exact amount of jobs. 1 to 1,
everyone is settled in. What happens when demand comes up? There not
going to get engineers that moved to Virginia, TX and California to move
back to PA in a day.

The economy is coming back, the best part about it is that there is
going to be an upset for employers. This translates into to more money
again for consultants.

Ever notice when a consultant needs a job, he usually is smart enough to
have enough money for 4-5 months worth of rent food etc. Not really an
emergency.

Now, Ever seen when a company needs someone? They don't think at all,
they just call someone and yell "I NEED A MCSE/CCNA/CCNP/CCIE right
NOW!" Most times they are filling positions because of an emergency, or
a project that needs to get done ASAP. Companies are going to get
blindsided by this. A lot of people are leaving the tech industry for
other fields. I know we all have come to a point where we wanted to do
something else when serious problems occur.

Soon Consultants will be the ones laughing, and they will have employers
fighting over them. That's when you sit back and deal on your terms.
Tell them you will call them back when you are ready. 

I have been in IT for over 10 years, and I can tell that sometimes the
companies decides what employees/contractors they want, sometimes the
consultants decide what companies they want.


-----Original Message-----
From: Logan, Harold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Are all the Cisco jobs for CCIEs? [7:40328]

I don't mean to offend anyone, but the job market doesn't owe anyone a
job,
and I include myself with that statement. Right now a CCNA or NP with
little
or no experience is going to have as much luck selling that skillset as
a
street vendor selling "September 11th - We will not forget" stickers.
There
was a heavy demand for them 6 months ago, but there's hardly any demand
for
them now. If you don't think that analogy applies to IT, then there are
some
COBOL programmers I'd like to introduce you to.
 
Face it, there is little if any demand forpeople with just a CCNA, or
even
an NP without much work experience. I feel bad for you, I really do. So
adapt; look to see what there is a demand for, and more importantly what
there will be a demand for, and work towards fitting that mold.
 
Sorry if I sound bitter, but here's my perspective - every year my
school
kicks out at least a dozen CCNA's, and that's considered low.
 
----Original Message----- 
From: Lomker, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wed 4/3/2002 2:49 PM 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Cc: 
Subject: RE: Are all the Cisco jobs for CCIEs? [7:40328]



        > How do I get a job that works with Cisco products,
        > without alot of experience or a CCIE?
        
        No kidding and good luck.  Even when the economy was good I
couldn't find a
        job.  If you have a BSEE your odds are a lot better, but my
business degree
        didn't get me anywhere. 
        
        My current position is 75% NT and 25% Cisco.  You might have to
find a job
        like mine at a company that will give you some exposure to the
Cisco
        equipment.




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