At 2:35 PM -0400 4/18/02, nrf wrote: >inline > > > >""John Johnson"" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> I'd try the MBA or better yet a MS in CS. Then if market conditions >change >> you can always stop the MS route and get the CCIE. If they don't, then >you >> can get the CCIE afterwards. It's a better road with fewer bumps than >going >> down a single path. Also, you'll want to consider getting the MBA after >you >> get the MS. It appears to me that the big networking jobs like we saw in >> the mid to late nineties have all been built and unless you were in the >> right place at the right time a good job like we saw has disappeared until >> there is a paradigm shift in the market place. >> >> It seems to get the dream jobs right now the more education you have the >> better off you are. Especially if you have a Masters degree in Math from >a >> big name school. In the States that would be from MIT, Cal-Tech, or say >> Harvard to name a few brand names. > >Be careful with that. In the States, master's degrees in sciences and >mathematics are generally not held in very high-esteem,
I'd tend to agree in traditional science fields like chemistry (my original major), but not in computer science/networking outside pure academia. I can look at an assortment of IETF leaders and find people anywhere from college dropout to PhD. Even some key academic researchers (not faculty) such as Scott Bradner have masters' degrees, not PhD's. This isn't just the "Old Guard." A co-director of the IETF Routing Area, Abha Ahuja, died suddenly and tragically at the age of 27. She had a bachelor's degree. One of the Advisory Council members of ARIN got his appointment around his 21st or 22nd birthday. There are, however, people who are innovative architects and programmers in their 60s and possibly older. Not a networking person, but Grace Hopper was active technically until her death at 85. Talk about titles -- in her case, if we used some of the European forms, she'd have been Rear Admiral Doctor Hopper...not counting honorary doctorates. There's also the irrelevant PhD issue. Two esteemed colleagues, deep in routing theory, both have PhD's -- in physics. Neither of their dissertations had anything whatsoever to do with computer science. >or at least not as >high in esteem as you might think (master's degrees in business, >engineering, or in the the liberal arts are a different story). I don't >know about Europe, but at least in the US, a master's degree in mathematics >(or any science) has the negative connotation of being a PhD-failure - the >guy entered a PhD program but couldn't cut it, so the school bestowed upon >him a master's degree as a consolation prize. In fact, most of the >biggest-name math schools in the United States do not even offer a >terminal-master's degree program. According to USNews and World Report, the >top 5 graduate math programs in the US in alphabetical order are Berkeley, >Harvard, MIT, Princeton, and Stanford (Caltech is actually not considered a >top5 program). The only one of those schools that may offer a terminal >master's degree in mathematics is Stanford, and I'm not even entirely sure >they really do. I know Berkeley doesn't offer a terminal math degree, nor >does Princeton, Caltech MIT, or Harvard (Harvard does offer a terminal >master's in Applied Mathematics, but runs it under its engineering >department - yes, Harvard actually has an engineering department). Instead, >these schools grant master's degrees to PhD candidates who couldn't pass >their quals. So in some cases, that master's degree could serve more as a >hindrance than a help. For example, saying that you have a master's degree >in math from Berkeley might impress some lay people, but every once in >awhile, you'll run into some people who know what's up, and may start >thinking you're a washout. > > >So the point is, in the US anyway, if you want to pursue graduate study in >mathematics, you should probably go all the way and get your PhD. >Otherwise, don't do it at all. Get your MBA or something like that. > > >> >> Good Luck. >> >> >> ""Antonio Montana"" wrote in message >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> > Hi all, >> > >> > Maybe this topic is discussed several times but I still can't decide >> wether >> > to go for the CCIE or to go back to a good business school for MBA. >> > >> > I am doing networking for 3 yrs now and can see that it's getting harder >> to >> > find a good. Have all Cisco cert's except of the "lab" and some others >> > Microsoft, Novell etc. and a Computer Science degree. >> > The problem is, that here, in europe, some CCIE's are doing jobs like >> System >> > or Network Administration, which is indeed not well paid at all. It's >just >> > like creating some user logins, assigning and administering IP addresses >> and >> > do some entries or changes on DNS or even Exchange Servers. >> > >> > Ok I understand that, it's better than being unemployed. >> > But is this a CCIE job ?? Really don't think so. >> > >> > I don't know when the telco market is going up again, but I really think >> > about going to school and getting a management education. >> > Jobs for MBA's are still there. >> > >> > Who knows if and when the market will give back the CCIE's the >recognition >> > they earn ?!? >> > >> > So, should I stop my track towards the CCIE and go to the "dark side" ?? >> > >> > What do you think guys ?? >> > >> > cheers >> > tony -- "What Problem are you trying to solve?" ***send Cisco questions to the list, so all can benefit -- not directly to me*** ******************************************************************************** Howard C. 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