> > I'd tend to agree in traditional science fields like chemistry (my > original major), but not in computer science/networking outside pure > academia. I can look at an assortment of IETF leaders and find people > anywhere from college dropout to PhD. Even some key academic > researchers (not faculty) such as Scott Bradner have masters' > degrees, not PhD's.
But notice that was why I was restricting my discussion to only the natural sciences and mathematics, where a master's degree may not be very positive, and could actually be negative. Different rules apply to, say, engineering (I still consider CS to be more engineering than natural science). And, of course, to business. > > This isn't just the "Old Guard." A co-director of the IETF Routing > Area, Abha Ahuja, died suddenly and tragically at the age of 27. She > had a bachelor's degree. One of the Advisory Council members of ARIN > got his appointment around his 21st or 22nd birthday. > > There are, however, people who are innovative architects and > programmers in their 60s and possibly older. Not a networking person, > but Grace Hopper was active technically until her death at 85. Talk > about titles -- in her case, if we used some of the European forms, > she'd have been Rear Admiral Doctor Hopper...not counting honorary > doctorates. > > There's also the irrelevant PhD issue. Two esteemed colleagues, deep > in routing theory, both have PhD's -- in physics. Neither of their > dissertations had anything whatsoever to do with computer science. > > >or at least not as > >high in esteem as you might think (master's degrees in business, > >engineering, or in the the liberal arts are a different story). I don't > >know about Europe, but at least in the US, a master's degree in mathematics > >(or any science) has the negative connotation of being a PhD-failure - the > >guy entered a PhD program but couldn't cut it, so the school bestowed upon > >him a master's degree as a consolation prize. In fact, most of the > >biggest-name math schools in the United States do not even offer a > >terminal-master's degree program. According to USNews and World Report, the > >top 5 graduate math programs in the US in alphabetical order are Berkeley, > >Harvard, MIT, Princeton, and Stanford (Caltech is actually not considered a > >top5 program). The only one of those schools that may offer a terminal > >master's degree in mathematics is Stanford, and I'm not even entirely sure > >they really do. I know Berkeley doesn't offer a terminal math degree, nor > >does Princeton, Caltech MIT, or Harvard (Harvard does offer a terminal > >master's in Applied Mathematics, but runs it under its engineering > >department - yes, Harvard actually has an engineering department). Instead, > >these schools grant master's degrees to PhD candidates who couldn't pass > >their quals. So in some cases, that master's degree could serve more as a > >hindrance than a help. For example, saying that you have a master's degree > >in math from Berkeley might impress some lay people, but every once in > >awhile, you'll run into some people who know what's up, and may start > >thinking you're a washout. > > > > > >So the point is, in the US anyway, if you want to pursue graduate study in > >mathematics, you should probably go all the way and get your PhD. > >Otherwise, don't do it at all. Get your MBA or something like that. > > > > > >> > >> Good Luck. > >> > >> > >> ""Antonio Montana"" wrote in message > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > >> > Hi all, > >> > > >> > Maybe this topic is discussed several times but I still can't decide > >> wether > >> > to go for the CCIE or to go back to a good business school for MBA. > >> > > >> > I am doing networking for 3 yrs now and can see that it's getting > harder > >> to > >> > find a good. Have all Cisco cert's except of the "lab" and some others > >> > Microsoft, Novell etc. and a Computer Science degree. > >> > The problem is, that here, in europe, some CCIE's are doing jobs like > >> System > >> > or Network Administration, which is indeed not well paid at all. It's > >just > >> > like creating some user logins, assigning and administering IP > addresses > >> and > >> > do some entries or changes on DNS or even Exchange Servers. > >> > > >> > Ok I understand that, it's better than being unemployed. > >> > But is this a CCIE job ?? Really don't think so. > >> > > >> > I don't know when the telco market is going up again, but I really > think > >> > about going to school and getting a management education. > >> > Jobs for MBA's are still there. > >> > > >> > Who knows if and when the market will give back the CCIE's the > >recognition > >> > they earn ?!? > >> > > >> > So, should I stop my track towards the CCIE and go to the "dark side" > ?? > >> > > >> > What do you think guys ?? > >> > > >> > cheers > >> > tony > -- > "What Problem are you trying to solve?" > ***send Cisco questions to the list, so all can benefit -- not > directly to me*** > **************************************************************************** **** > Howard C. 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