"nrf" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > On the other hand, who's more likely to show up to work late? Or show up > drunk or high? Or get into a fight with his coworkers? Or surf porn in > front of female coworkers? The guy who's been in the working world for 25 > years or a new kid? > > Experience is not just about knowing which command does what. It's also > about general work attitudes and maturity.
Again, I say this is not a valid conclusion...... What you're implying is that people with experience cannot also be slakers, alcoholics, drug addits, racist, sexist, assholes or someone who in any way is inappropriate. That's a very flawed and very illogical conclusion. "Who's more likely to show up for work late?" Depends on who worked at places that were more relaxed on their schedules...... The last place I worked, you were yelled at for being 5 minutes late, the place I'm at now, you could show up pretty much anytime from 8 to 8 or so and no one would say a thing..... Someone could easily get experience at a relaxed place, and then after years move to a place with little tolerance and perhaps find it hard to break the habit of coming in whenever...... "Or show up drunk or high?" People from all walks of life, with both good work records and very happy employers, are able to come in drunk and/or high and not be suspected (i.e. functional alcoholics)... Trust me, I lived in a college town and knew plenty of people that would go to work a bit drunk or stoned or whatnot. This kind of thing happens alot (even people who aren't 'alcoholics' per se that go out until 4am, then drag in at 8 still a bit tipsy). This affects people of all ages and experience levels...... Again, nothing to do with 'experience' with routers/routing protocols/networks, etc...... "Or get into a fight with his coworkers?" This one is laughable........ Personality conflicts are wide and varied. To assume that because someone has even a sparkling clean work history that a personality conflict won't or can't happen when brought into your workplace is flawed from it's roots. I've been working 'professionally" in the IT field for 10+ years now, and *never* wanted to clock a co-worker until I got to my current job. There's this guy who thinks all women are stupid, etc etc..... he's the epitomy of 'an @!#$' in every regard, and my patience has never been tested like it has with this guy...... Point being, again, that experience can in no way predict personality conflicts. Checking personal and professional references perhaps, but not the sheer fact they have had a job and have experience. "Or surf porn in front of female coworkers?" Anyone that would do this in front of anyone that they don't know well enough to know it won't offend them is just an idiot.... again nothing to do with experience (or lack of)...... I've said it once, and I'll say it again..... you're equating experience with good work habits, good skills, and good personal habits, and experience is a reflection on none of these (IMHO). Expereince isn't even meant to measure those things...... So people ask the question "Do you have experience with coming in on time?" "Do you have experience with not starting fights?" "Do you have any experience in a drug-free workplace?" No.... those are absurd questions..... I would offer up that anyone that doesn't "have the knowledge" that they shouldn't show up to work drunk/high, shouldn't start fights, and should show up on time is not a good job candidate...... So ruling those bozos out, then one can consider experience, certifications, references, etc..... Experience is another word for knowledge and/or skill, period. As seen in the following definition: Experience a. Active participation in events or activities, leading to the accumulation of knowledge or skill. b. The knowledge or skill so derived So attributing any other "good" qualities (being on time, not showing up drunk/high, not starting fights, etc) of a person (employee or potential employee) simply because of experience (or lack of) is a fallacy. I mean, I knew on my very first job, cutting grass at a hospital, that I was s'posed to show up on time, etc etc.... and I did that as well as anyone else, even without experience to prove it...... Mike W. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=44761&t=44653 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
