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> Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
> >
> > Well, maybe I overstated it a bit. ;-) My main complaint about the debug
> > commands is that the output is too cryptic. Also, some of them were
clearly
> > designed for the Cisco developers not for the end user of the router
> > (network admin, engineer). The information they provide is simply not
> > helpful.
> >
> > Inserting a sniffer can definitely be a pain on a WAN, on the other
hand.
> > Plus WAN sniffers are terribly expensive. Actually inserting a sniffer
is
> > more of a pain than it used to be on LANs too. But at least the result
is a
> > plain-language decode of every packet.
> >
> > By the way, do you remember which EIGRP debug commands you used and how
> > they helped solve the problem? That might be helpful info for us (if you
> > have time to explain, no biggie if you don't.)
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Priscilla
>
>   Actually I used debug eigrp packet found a couple of neighbors were
> bouncing eratically which I had also noticed in the ip routing table.  I
> tried pinging these neighbors and was loosing many packets, this is over
> a 100M ethernet.  Since this customer mentioned that they had done some
> work on a Microsoft server including adding a second interface (arghhh)
> I had a good suspect.  Since I have seen in the past multiinterfaced
> servers do wierd things like foward multicast packets I suspected a
> possible routing loop.  I enabled debug ip icmp and basically crashed
> the MSFC.  It was sooooo busy spewing out ICMP TTL expired messages that
> caused the CPU to hit 99% and the router was not able to maintain it's
> routing functions etc...  I asked the customer to grab the server guy
> and have him shut down the second interface, problem solved.


CL: you sure you didn't say something more like "grab the server guy and
throttle him a good one!" ???


>
>   The IP ICMP debug was really the helper here but the point is I was
> able to find the problem using debug, I'm 300 miles from this customer,
> much more quickly than finding someone locally who could drive a sniffer
> and read/email the output.  I admit crashing the router was not good but
> "normally" a ip icmp debug will not do that hence I say use any debug
> with some caution and customer warning, this may be hazardous to your
> network!!
>
>   Dave
>
> David Madland
> Sr. Network Engineer
> CCIE# 2016
> Qwest Communications Int. Inc.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 612-664-3367
>
> "Emotion should reflect reason not guide it"




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