""Howard C. Berkowitz""  wrote in message
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> At 3:33 PM -0400 5/23/02, Ron Trunk wrote:
> >Howard and dre,
> >First of all, thanks for the excellent thread!
>
> First, thanks for letting me know you are still around!
>
I've started teaching 'unofficial' Cisco courses, so I thought I'd start
keeping an eye on questions on this list.

> >Cisco's goal, after all, is not to make great network engineers,
> >but to make engineers who are proficient with all of Cisco's features and
> >functions.
>
> I do have a problem with the emphasis on "all." There are any number
> of features that shouldn't be touched unless one has a thorough
> understanding of the proper environment to use them.

OK.  Change the "all" to "most of the important" and we're in agreement.

> >That is why some of the lab scenarios are a bit contrived, and
> >also why you should be fired for trying to use some of those features on
a
> >real network.  Cisco's aim is to make sure CCIEs know how to configure a
> >Cisco router to solve any problem, even those that shouldn't be solved
with
> >a router!
>
> Again, my concern is with "any."  I understand why _Cisco_ is well
> served by some version of that.  How does a hiring manager, however,
> find the people that know when there are better tools than a router
> for some problems?
>
Often the problem is that hiring managers don't even know the first thing
about networking.  I can't tell you how many clients I have where a junior
or mid-level engineer is the only networking engineer in the place.  How
does his manager asses his or her talents when he only knows that someone
"has to keep the routers going"?  For better or worse, the manager often
relies on certifications.




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