The problem, again, is not with guys who are willing to learn and stay humble and hungry. There is nothing wrong with being a lab-rat per se.
The problems come when those lab-rats now start demanding the same pay and respect as guys who also hold their CCIE and have many years of experience. For example, to extend your med-school analogy, there's no problem with some fresh kid who's in med-school and is carving up cadavers for surgery practice. The problem comes when that kid becomes a whiz at cadaver-carving, but still hasn't done a real live operation, but because of his cadaver-carving skills now thinks he should be automatically promoted to Head of Surgery. ""cebuano"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I posted this message in response to a lot of rap, crap, xyz-rap, etc. that > individuals who devote their time, effort and money towards advancing > their knowledge and skill (and hopefully career) by building their own home > lab because this is the ONLY way they can get experience are getting. > When are we going to stop shoving this chicken-and-egg syndrome down > their throat? Everybody has to start somewhere. > Hell, do you think med school students start their career in medicine by > working in a "production" clinic? The only time they get to that level is > after years of learning the ins/outs involved in clinical practice IN A > LAB environment. > Nothing personal, but I just wanted to encourage "lab rats" who've been > discriminated against and wrongfully labeled by people who feel insecure > with their career. > > Hope that clears things up. > > Elmer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Johnny Routin" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:11 AM > Subject: Re: Doyle on Lab Rats [7:44611] > > > > Nice of you to take Jeff's words and use them out of context. I believe > > what Jeff meant is that as we are experienced network engineers pursuing > > CCIE certification, we should set up a lab for practice as we cannot > perform > > the necessary configurations on our production networks. The thing you > > forgot to mention while taking liberities with his words is that lab rats > do > > not know what a production network looks like. > > > > > > JR > > -- > > Johnny Routin > > The "Routin" One > > > > > > > > ""cebuano"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Excerpt from Doyle's Vol.2 page 792. > > > "Labs also provide an area of the network where you can just play around > > > with the commands, testing the effect of misconfigurations and > practicing > > > troubleshooting. The lab can be used in this way for training and CCIE > > > preparation. Only with a lab can you THOROUGHLY experiment with > > > configurations, break things to see what happens, and determine what > > > symptoms identify misconfigurations." > > > > > > This is exactly how we are all educated in colleges and universities. > > > Remember the labs in Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Human Anatomy... > > > So for those of you that have no respect for lab rats, you might need > > > to rethink your opinions. > > > I say more swiss cheese to lab rats! > > > > > > Elmer > > > P.S. Don't forget the wine. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=45009&t=44611 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
