No offense, but all this talk about paper certs vs. 'real deserving certs' is in my opinion foolish!!! No matter how people get certified, they are working hard for it.
Of course you have to read books in order to get certified. That is what testing in ALL educational facilities is based on. I could just see professors in College saying, """Don't read the math book. Just do math and take the tests, or else you will be a paper graduate""". It is ridiculous!!! The fact of the matter is, there is a lot to be learned by experience. There is also a lot to be learned by reading and studying. There are things an experienced person will not know that a 'reader' will know. There are things that a 'reader' will not know that an experienced person will know. All in all, the certification is just another asset a person has to make him or herself more marketable! Even experience isn't a guarantee of knowledge. You can have tons of experience on OSPF and not know a thing about EIGRP or BGP........ Anyway, take it easy and good luck. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 1:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Booo! CSS1 [7:45498] Yeah I do think it will be paper because with the Boson, Lammle, and other vendor books along with Cisco Press suddenly every one will just get it and it will be harder to distinguish who really knows it or not. I know people will get it yes but I don't want it to be a paper cert like some people have CCNP/DPs and don't know anything about OSPF or VLANS. Just gets me sad. Part of the reason I got this cert last year was because there weren't any boson or study aides yet. It was a better test that way. Of course I was already doing security so that is besides the point. Finally I thought I could have a more unique Cisco cert without killing myself ie CCIE. I'm not the only one with it. Here in Japan, my boss was first and my current co-worker was second. Perhaps I was number 10 or something. (I was the 5th CISSP here). The problem is that one of these guys doesn't know how to do things like ACLs! I got to help him out with it and he can't configure Cisco IDS. Just makes me sad. At least I get paid more... :-) What can I say? I don't like it when people can just read a book and pass the test and they don't know "conf t". You defination of a paper cert is the same as mine. No offensive taken. I just think that if you want to do CSS1 you should be using PIXs, VPNs, and IDSs just like when I got the CCNP I was on 7200/3600/2600 6509/5xxx/2948s daily. Theo "Michael L. Williams" Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/31/2002 02:03 PM Please respond to "Michael L. Williams" To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: Booo! CSS1 [7:45498] I think that's a pretty pessimistic outlook for cert....... wow... if a book coming out convinces you all of a sudden your cert will be "paper", ..... wow... I can't explain it, but that comment really bums me out....... I can't believe all of this talk about "paper" this and "paper" that...... geez, a book comes out for a cert and already someone (that has the damn cert) is already calling it paper....... I guess I've always been under the impression that the PERSON that was "shoddily" certified (studied to pass a test instead of learning the material) was a "paper" whatever.... i.e. someone that passed the CCNA just by sheer memorization after barrelling thru practice exams was a "paper CCNA" as opposed to someone who actually learned all of the information..... Seriously, it sounds to me like your concern isn't "paper" anything, it's that you won't be the only one with CSS1/CCIP or whatever....... I have to ask "Did you really think that you'd be the 'only' one with that certification forever?" I guess the reason your comment bums me out is because you're implying that just because there are study materials for a book (especially one from Sybex with the Lammle name on it) that it will be so common that you "can get a CSS! with my soba and Sushi down at the 7/11"..... Do you really think that one book will have that much of an impact? I appreciate you feelings, and I didn't intend for this post to be an "attack" on you.... I guess I'm just stunned that your outlook for the value of a cert could be affected by just one book so much..... Mike W. wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Man this bums me out. > > Lammle has a CSS1/CCIP book coming out. > > Soon everyone will be trying to get this cert and it will become a paper > cert. All of my hard work will look like nothing. :-( > > Man, I need to specialize in something that people just don't want to > study. For a few moments in time I had it here in Japan but once this > book comes out, even more clones will appear. Soon I can get a CSS1 with > my soba and Sushi down at the 7/11. > > Booo! > > Theo > > hmmm forensics.....and I already have training scheduled and materials > here....hummmmm........ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=45518&t=45498 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
