Please read RFC #1925, and look closely at fundamental truth #10
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1925.html

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> This one is just too juicy to pass up :-)
>
>    The concise question is "Why would you use linux/freebsd or an
appliance
> based on
> them instead of purchasing a real router?"
>
>
>   Cisco rules the backbone, they do enough on lan switching to get my vote
> their, and
> their Aironet radios are OK if you're abusing 802.11b by running it as a
> wireless
> internet provider but ...
>
>   CISCO KNOWS SQUAT ABOUT ROUTER/WIRELESS INTEGRATION!
>
>
>   There, I've said it. Detaled proof of concept is below:
>
>
>   Lets consider a network I recently installed. I've got a tower on a
> building on a
> bluff that overlooks a valley where there is no DSL service. On the
opposite
> side of
> the valley I have another tower on a building on a bluff. The two towers
are
> separated
> by about three miles. Some sites in the valley can see one side, some can
> see the
> other, neither site would cover the whole valley properly.
>
>   The building closest to my  head end  has an elevator shaft on top with
my
> small
> tower bolted to the side. There is room for a good sized 19" cabinet and
AC
> power. The
> building on the opposite side of the valley has a beautiful 50' tower on
top
> but the
> only facilties on the roof are a NEMA outdoor enclosure. The NEMA
enclosure
> can take a
> couple of radios and maybe a small hub but would not take any router
larger
> than a
> 1605.
>
>   So, this one building has a backhaul link, it has a customer cell, it
> feeds the cell
> across the valley, and I have two other customers attached to this
location
> that
> received dedicated point to point links for a total of one cell and four
> point to point
> wireless links. There is also a wired link to our customers in the
building.
>
>  From the layer three perspective this location has four /29s used for
point
> to point
> (why not /30s? you tell me, but ponder the wonder of VLANs and OSPF first
> :-] ), one
> /27 that is the customer cell, and a /29 for the wired customers.
>
>   How would you build a network with six total subnets, one wireless cell,
> and four
> point to point links, using only Cisco equipment? This is the parts list
> with estimated
> pricing:
>
> Cisco 2620             $1500
> Catalyst 1912          $300
> Aironet AP352          $650
> four x WGB352          $1800
> total                  $4250
>
>   Now consider the alternative - a $400 PC, a $50 flash card, $200 for a
> linux based
> wireless capable OS from http://www.mikrotik.com, two PCI Aironet cards
> ($350) and a
> Dlink quad port ethernet card ($100). $1100 total
>
>  I still needed the $650 AP and one external $450 WGB352 - $1100 for this.
>
>
>   So, for $2200 I got the effect of purchasing $4250 of refurbished Cisco
> gear.
>
>
>    Now lets look at the soft benefits of MikroTik vs IOS:
>
> Feature                  MikroTik                IOS
> ssh                      yes                            with provider
image
> OSPF                     yes                            yes
> PPTP server              yes                            not that I can
find
> PPPoE server             yes                            yes, clumsy
> rate shape PPPoE client  bit rate per user              nope, just IOS
> traffic controls
>
> NAT                      yes                            yes
> processor                AMD 1 gig                      40 MHz PPC
> memory                   256 meg                        max out at 64 meg
> firewall                 ipchains(cool)                 clumsy access
lists
> user interface           killer CLI                     clumsy CLI
> annual support           $500 or so including aironet   about 3X MT costs
>
>
>  Over a three year period the MikroTik box is going to cost me about one
> fourth of what
> I'd pay for a minimal Cisco solution and the performance of the MT is on
par
> with a
> 7206 /w an NPE300.
>
>
>  Now there are a lot of reasons to prefer Cisco in the backbone over
> MikroTik, but I'm
> not going to say anything :-) You'll just have to download the free eval
of
> MikroTik
> and make it work with your Cisco lab if you want to know ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > I always see people asking for Linux/Unix sims for BGP
> > or just to simulate a router in General. I for the life of me can't
> > figure out why a Linux router could be better than a 2501 and
> > it would cost me more to build a Linux box. I see the same with




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