JMHO - comment below:

""richard dumoulin""  wrote in message
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> Priscilla,
>
>  Do you remember the discussion about IP unnumbered ? Sure you do. You
wrote
> "Now, network management is a concern, however. If your serial interface
is
> unnumbered, you can't ping it or send it SNMP messages. With those
> functions, the serial port acts as an end host and must have a
network-layer
> address. That's the tradeoff".
>
> I have found in Cisco ISP essentials book, the following: "Many ISPs use
> monitoring systems that use ping to check the status of the leased line.
> Even if the customer unplugs the LAN, an alarm will not be raised on the
> ISPs management system. This is because the customer  router still knows
> that the LAN IP address is configured on the system and is "useable" ".
> (page 46)

CL: sure, but only if the links are numbered. many ISP's use unnumbered and
static routes as well. Monitoring is done through other means, either using
things like telco tools or CDP and Cisco Works. CDP requires no L3 info to
check neighbor health. Way back when, my link to UUNet was unnumbered, but I
sure saw their router when I did a "show CDP nei"

CL: the other thing to question is both the contexrt of the statement, or
the accuracy. sometimes some of the books out there will contain statements
which are accurate in some cases, but not accurate and therefore not useful
to make blanket conclusions. when the book says "ping" are you sure that
they are referring to "IP ICMP ping"? Telco's monitor their links all the
time, using L2 and L1 tools. Keepalives, etc. I can call the process "ping"
if I want, if only to put it into an understandable ( for me ) context, but
that does not mean that it is "ping" in the IP sense of the word.

CL: what I do know is that it is very difficult to ping a device that has no
IP number assigned to it. not using ICMP.


> Regards.




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