I think it would be hard to prove that they copied Cisco product.
Otherwise, we can also say AMD copied Intel, Microsoft copied Apple.

Just my thought.
Yoshi

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
Craig Columbus
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 8:58 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Huawei routers - a.k.a. futurewei.com [7:49778]

Just thought I'd comment on this....

Let me issue a disclaimer first:
I've never heard of these routers until this thread.  I'm only
responding 
to the information presented in these posts.  I've been, so far, unable
to 
verify the information presented for myself.  If I'm mistaken, and the 
product isn't a Cisco ripoff, then I apologize.

With that said:

Am I the only one who finds it troubling that this company has,
apparently, 
copied Cisco's proprietary designs and is selling them as their own?
Sure they're cheaper.  So is pirated software.  Does it make it right to

support an operation like this?  These guys even ripped off Cisco's
product 
line names.  Surely there's some legal recourse for Cisco, at least in
the
USA.
I guess I'm bothered because this group is so anti-NDA violation, 
anti-software piracy, etc....and then when something like this comes
out, 
no one bothers to speak up against it.  In fact, people seem excited 
because they'll be able to put together a cheaper lab to practice for
the 
CCIE lab.  Personally, I don't see any difference between this and 
willingly buying / exchanging pirated software.  If I discover that the 
claims are true, and that this company is only selling
reverse-engineered 
Cisco products, I, for one, will not support them or their equipment.

Just my opinion...
Craig




At 03:10 PM 7/26/2002 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi group,
>
>Huawei routers were introduced into the local market sometime in the
past 2
>months in an asian networking exhibition called "Communicasia".
>
>That's where I met the Huawei distributor whom had volunteered to
provide a
>demo set for me to play with (myself from an international mnc, has
current
>projects to revamp our LAN/WAN structure) and guess what, my boss is
>requesting me to have a look at their routers !
>
>The day the router came into the office, I noticed that there were no
>manuals provided. After meddling with the router, I believed that there
was
>no need to request for one in the first place ! There will be no
>requirements to load the box with IOS, it is IOS (with a bit of
>differences). The whole thing was CLONED !
>
>I'm not too sure about reversed-engineering but more on how Cisco  is
going
>to protect their market dominance. With boxes selling for 30-40%
cheaper, I
>guess lots of ppl will be rushing off to buy it.
>
>Guess might as well I pack my bags for China to get a new set of
>certifications.
>
>Ron Tan




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