I'm ALL FOR THIS: It's too bad that they don't do this with the C/S. If they would test features available only on 7500's and up, that would mean that a greater percentage of C/S candidates would be actual ISP engineers, not lab-rats, which would be good for the program.
JUST SO LONG AS: the hiring manager/HR Puppet doesn't require prior experience in "an enterprise network environment" just to get an interview. That was EXACTLY the catch-22 I faced getting into this industry 9 years ago. "What, no experience?!?! Then why would I want to hire you and put you in the seat of managing my 2000 node network?...shyaa right! You aren't touchin' this network with a 10 foot pole!" OJT is not what it used to be in the 80's. You got hired for more then the ability to pass the basic math test. You were hired because of your aptitude proven in the interview. Then you were sent to training classes for the first several weeks of your new job. Then you were placed under a supervisor and mentored for a time period. These days, there are reasons why they put the "must be able to work with minimal to zero supervision" in the description of the IT Job posting. And they don't have any interest or plan in putting you through any kind of training... ... so the Ol' Catch-22 returns in vogue just like the bell-bottoms. ... and one more thing: Am I just living in a bubble or something, cuz' I just don't see this phenomenon of thousands of geeks like myself scoffing up gear in their homes here in the D/FW, Texas area to take a smack at the R/S or C/S labs ... is this geographic by nature or something by economic demographic?? (read - is this something observed in the California, N.Y., Illinois, or Virginia area) -Mark -----Original Message----- From: nrf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 7:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Voice CCIE [7:64620] ""The Long and Winding Road"" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ""DAve Diaz"" wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > how are you supposed to prepare for this buty all that equipment no thanks > > > > > there would be a distinct advantage to substantial hands on experience. > maybe this marks the start of the trend away from the "paper" ( some use the > term "lab rat" ) CCIE's of the last couple of years? Yeah, so maybe that's precisely the point. They don't want guys to just get a bunch of stuff in a home lab and -presto- another CCIE comes out without ever having used the gear in a production environment in his life, and thereby cheapening the value of the cert. Perhaps they figure that if they require candidates to have a lot of hands-on experience with high-end gear, then most of the candidates will be employees of companies with large networks, which was the precise target demographic of the CCIE in the first place. It's too bad that they don't do this with the C/S. If they would test features available only on 7500's and up, that would mean that a greater percentage of C/S candidates would be actual ISP engineers, not lab-rats, which would be good for the program. > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Maurizio Moroni" > > >Reply-To: "Maurizio Moroni" > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: New Voice CCIE [7:64620] > > >Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 16:12:11 GMT > > > > > >Hi Group, > > > > > >I would like to know what's your take on the new CCIE Voice Certification > > >Track > > >(http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/625/ccie/ccie_program/whatsnew.html ) > > > > > >Regards, > > >Maurizio > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=64678&t=64620 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
