>I'm nor sure what you are ranting about. If it's connected with what I 

>wrote, I think I simply talked about different kinds of cittern and the 

>history of that instrument.



Sorry, Stuart, I wasn't about to start ranting about anything you'd said,
really - I've been doing a lot of reading lately and getting a bit fed up
with some of what I see as narrow thinking within the establishment, for
want of a better description. I'm a bit bothered by the whole idea of
"influence" and that comes from my reading too many "anglo-centric"
articles. I think the actual picture is much broader than that.  I know
multi-lingual, multi-cultural research is difficult, having done it myself,
but it does broaden things out quite a bit.  One thing that often gets to
me, for example, is the lack of understanding of earlier printing practice
and how it relates to spelling, especially when it is coupled with a lack
of knowledge of, for example, Italian dialects, as has happened in some
works on the mandolin.



As for the p-shaped neck and differing body tapers, for me they just don't
consitute grounds for calling instruments with these features citterns and
those without (but with several others in common) "other".  Even today in
Germany and Switzerland (and for all I know several other places) one can
find citterns with either or both of these features along with a variety of
tunings.  I think the idea of "old" and "new" can often be misleading.



Recovering,



Doc

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