> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martina Rosenberger) > Date: 25 Oct 2006 05:34 GMT > To: "Cittern NET" <[email protected]> > Subject: [CITTERN] Pedro Cabrals answer (fwd) >
> Pedro Cabrals wrote; > I have collected many > other references to the use and presence of the former cittern model in > Portugal long before the "introduction" of the "english" model. > Here are some: > 1. In the 1649 Royal Library catalogue is listed a > manuscript for Cittern (lost in the earthquake of Lisboa in 1755) wich > presumably contained works from portuguese authors , > 2. In 1652, on the > inventory of Francisco de Le=E3o is mentioned a cittern bought in Lisboa > for 480 reis and taken to Brazil for the Governor of S.Paulo. > 3. In the BN ms.B.16.23 in our National Library I found de reference to > Father Jo=E3o de Lima, whose knowledge of many instruments listed, > included in the second place the C=EDthara all along with the organ, the > theorbo the arp, etc. > 4. The portuguese language diccionaries of Rafael Bluteau (1719), Morais e > Silva (1789), Fonseca e Roquete (1848), Eduardo Faria (1849) all > published in Lisboa, refer the Cithara and the Guitarra as two > different instruments, sometimes giving details of number of strings, > size, etc. > 5? Some instruments survived and are kept in reserve in the Music Museum, > Lisbon and in private collections. > With time and patience I could add a greater amount of evidence but I > think this is enough to credit my opinion on the presence of citterns > in Portugal long before the invention of the "english" instrument. Thanks Martina and Pedro. I don't know if follow-up discussion with Pedro is possible given his inability to join the list(?) but . . . . The bulk of this article seems to say only that Portugal was not unlike the rest of Europe from Medieval through Baroque times, i.e. that citoles come citterns were present. Did anyone doubt this? Seems to me the only kind of evidence relevant to this discussion is the type, stringing, and tuning of late cittern-like instruments native to or used in Portugal c. 1650-1750 (something on that order of date-span, and please feel free to tighten-up the relevant key date-span). What do the above 4 or 5 would-be "proof-points" prove re these matters? Some iconography would sure be nice. thanks Roger To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
