hi,
i think the missunderstaning happens because the dummy-packages are
installed by default, so when you firstly have a look to the package
system you just see that cjk is installed. nobody ever reads the
description if a package is installed - except it is not working as
expected, i think, at least 99% of the users will agree with that.
even worth, there is a second dummy package saying cjk-all, which is
installed, but as i wrote before - and you explicated, all does not mean
all of everything. so sorry if this puzzles me.
i am sure there are other ways to manage that, maybe other people can
give you advices, i am just a simple user who doesn't have the capacity
to quarrel with you about your baby, i just can tell you what happend to
me, if you think i am just one idiot of hundred gurus, ok, i disagree,
sorry for bothering you.
cheers, reinhard
Am Samstag, den 28.04.2007, 19:37 +0200 schrieb Danai SAE-HAN:
> From: Reinhard Handl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > indeed, i needed this packages and also the latex-ucs packages.
> >
> > in the synaptic package manager i firstly found cjk-latex.
> > so i thought i got everything - BUT after various tries i read the
> > description which tells you:
> >
> > "installs all LaTeX CJK packages
> > This is a dummy package that allows you to smoothly upgrade
> > from the old cjk-latex to the current latex-cjk-common packages.
> > After the installation of the latex-cjk-common packages, you can
> > safely delete this package."
> >
> > so this is a joke - or what?
>
> Beg your pardon? This is not a joke. A dummy package works like
> this: it is an empty package, but depends on other and newer
> packages. Once these newer packages are installed, you can remove the
> empty dummy package. This system is widely used, and makes sure you
> can upgrade to newly named packages without much problems.
>
> > secondly i found latex-cjk-all which tells you:
> >
> > "installs all LaTeX CJK packages
> > This package will install all CJK packages.
> > You may also wish to install each package separately instead.
> > See the latex-cjk-common package for a detailed description."
>
> That's right. This is a virtual package. Again, it itself installs
> nothing but depends on other packages. Users cannot be expected to
> know everything, that's why the package manager must take care of
> this. This package depends on *all* packages that have something to
> do with CJK. If you don't want extra flexibility and you just want
> everything to work, install this package, and the rest will be taken
> care by apt-get, aptitude or synaptic.
>
> > and even funnier the latex-cjk-common package tells you:
> >
> > "LaTeX macro package for CJK (Chinese/Japanese/Korean)
> > CJK is a macro package for LaTeX to enable typesetting in Chinese,
> > Japanese, Korean and Thai, and it supports Vietnamese through the
> > "vntex" macro. And you can still use Russian, Greek and other
> > languages in the same document.
> > It supports various CJK encodings, like UTF-8, Big5, GB, JIS, KS,
> > CNS (through CEF) and Emacs MULE.
> >
> > This package will install the common files, as well as a few
> > GNU/Emacs Lisp files, and it provides support for furigana
> > ("ruby text") and PinYin, either with or without tone marks."
> >
> > so, nothing of this is true.
>
> I have to correct you here, laddy. The -common package installs all
> the basic files. It won't install any font; it is just the bare
> package. If you want Chinese but not Thai support, just install
> -chinese. Flexibility is a good thing.
>
> The latex-cjk packages don't DEPEND on font packages, but only SUGGEST
> them. Why, will you ask? There are people who have installed their
> own version of the Chinese Arphic font, for example. Why force these
> users to use my font packages, if they have installed their own?
> A few Chinese users complained about latex-cjk depending on these huge
> font packages, so I changed it from DEPEND to SUGGEST.
>
> > i had to install the formentioned packages as well.
>
> Indeed, read the package descriptions. That's one thing I can expect
> from users, right?
>
> > so all does not mean all, sometimes it means nothing.
>
> Wrong. -all will install all the subpackages
> (latex-cjk-{common,chinese,thai,japanese,korean} and the font packages
> -arphic-* and -japanese-wadalab). These are ALL packages that I
> created for CJK. This is standard for almost all Debian packages.
> Doing otherwise will only confuse the other 99.9% of the users.
>
> > after everything is working for me, i had a big laugh,
> > but maybe the ones maintaining the ubuntu packages
> > can use my information to make it easier for the next
> > poor boy like me. it took me two days and i learned a lot.
>
> I am the packager for Debian, and Ubuntu just copied it to their
> system. So in essence the Ubuntu packages are mine.
>
> Unfortunately, I don't have time to check out any Ubuntu bugs for this
> package; I hope the Ubuntu people will send bugs and possibly patches
> to the Debian system from which it is derived.
>
> If you have any suggestion about the package descriptions, tell me and
> I might change them. I don't know how Ubuntu updates work, but when
> it's changed in Debian, at some time in the future it will incorporate
> my changes.
>
>
>
> Danai SAE-HAN
> 韓達耐
>
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