Dear Anne (and Helen and Susan - the groups discussing this): I had a litter of four puppies, three which were born dead. I had all sorts of testing done before she was bred and everything came out fine. Well, everything wasn't fine. She was tested again after the puppies were born dead, and she had pseudomonas in her vaginal area and something else in her uterus. The vet did a C&S in both places. I had to give her one thing for a certain period of time to kill the pseudomonas and another thing to kill the bacteria that was in her uterus. You would think in a city as large as Houston that a good vet could be found, one that is experienced in breeding, etc. I have heard about a vet that specializes in breeding, a lady DMV, and I am going to take this bitch to her real soon as she will be coming in season again in February sometime. She has had another season in the meantime and rested. She appears to be in excellent health.
I would love to know what any of you know about pseudomonas. Also, I have never been able to find a vet that would stand by when I'm going to have puppies. I don't jump around with different vets. In other words, this one gets all of my business, and I think he knows that, and I've been giving him my business for the 15 years I've been breeding Cavaliers. I am a small breeder but he does everything for me and I pay him promptly. He doesn't give discounts either. Take care. Jimmie Lee Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] KATY, TX (a suburb of Houston) Helen Duggin wrote: > I whelped a bitch last week who had a dark discharge during the final two > days of her pregnancy. I decided to just keep an eye on it and did so. > She was otherwise very healthy. The dischage ceased after two days. > > When she whelped the first born did not have very much placenta around him. > The pup was fine, but it was a very dry birth as her waters had broken an > hour and a half before the first puppy. > > I assumed from all this that there must have been a leak in one of the bags > ie. the first born puppy's bag and so the dry birth. I think perhaps I was > lucky this time. All four puppies were born healthy and bursting to begin > feeding. > > Helen Duggin > EmilySprings > Strathbogie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cavatibs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 5:12 PM > Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Whelping problems > > > I have known bitches to have a dark discharge and go on to whelp several > > normal, healthy puppies. As long as the discharge has stopped, she will > > probably do this but you may also find a dead one amongst the group. > There's > > not much you can do anyway so you may as well wait. > > > > If you plan on spaying her after this litter, whether or not you have live > > pups, then other reasons for aborting a litter may not be of interest to > you > > other than for information purposes. > > > > Mycoplasma in heavy growth can make a bitch abort her litter as can > > pseudomonas. Early absorbtion of puppies can also be due to progesterone > > levels falling too low, making the bitch's body think that it is about to > go > > into labor. Sometimes you see discharge and sometimes you see nothing > except > > a bitch that is deflating! If you are curious, then I would take a C&S > and > > Mycoplasma test on the discharge from the whelping puppies. There are > definite > > procedures to checking for Mycoplasma which, if you end up doing this, I > will > > go into for you. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Anne > > > > Susan Cochran wrote: > > > > > I wondered if anyone else has had the problems that we are having with > Esmee > > > so I thought that I see what you guys think. Esmee is a lovely tri and > she > > > successfully whelped her first litter several years ago. Last year, she > > > aborted her second litter at 6 weeks gestation. We had her checked out > and > > > the vet could find nothing wrong. We finally decided to breed her this > fall > > > and she has been carefully watched by us and the vet. He decided not to > do > > > progesterone treatment, but I think that he has had little experience > with > > > this and didn't want to experiment. We had Esmee checked (ultra sound) > at a > > > specialist clinic at 6 weeks gestation and they told us that she had > seven > > > puppies, which I did not believe (she's not that big, I'd say three or > > > four). Later that clinic called my vet and said 4 heartbeats. > > > In her 7th week, she stopped eating and started to have a dark > discharge. We > > > rushed her to the vet. He could still hear heartbeats and he thought > that we > > > should just watch her. He did not advise ending the pregnancy. Esmee has > > > been crated (similar to bedrest for a human) and taken into the vet > every > > > couple of days to been checked. She has started eating again. The > discharge > > > has stopped and she does not have a temperature. The vet says that he > can > > > still hear heartbeats. I certainly don't want to lose Esmee, but I'd > like to > > > have the puppies if at all possible as we will spay her after this > > > regardless of whether we get puppies or not and I didn't save a puppy > from > > > her first litter. She is heart cleared and OFA pre-lim excellent rating > as > > > well as being the only Heathcliff daughter that we kept. > > > Anyone ever had a similar experience or have any light that they can > throw > > > on this? Esmee will be 56 days on Monday and if she can just hold on to > the > > > babies until then, they may be able to survive. > > > All the best, > > > Susan Cochran > > > > > > ========================================================= > > > "Magic Commands": > > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > > to start it up gain click here: > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original author. > > > > ========================================================= > > "Magic Commands": > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > to start it up gain click here: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original author. > > > > ========================================================= > "Magic Commands": > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > to start it up gain click here: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original author. ========================================================= "Magic Commands": to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL to start it up gain click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. 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