Dear Rosemary, You don't have to clean the code by hand on Dreamweaver. Go to "Commands" on the menu bar and choose "Clean Up HTML". This opens the "Clean Up HTML" dialog box which has a variety of options--- even cleaning code written by Word. You can specify what parts of the HTML that you want cleaned.
I agree that there are many web editors out there. I have Dreamweaver, GoLive, FrontPage, VisualPage, HomeSite, BBEdit, and a couple of freebies that I got from AOL. Truthfully, the cleanest code that I have written was with NotePad and writting all the code myself. I had a complete course (IST237) in just writting HTML on NotePad. We wrote CCS, Javascript and DHTML on NotePad in this course, but I haven't used Dreamweaver except to do the 8 units of course work in the IST238 class that ended recently so I am still learning this software, but what I have seen I like very much. BTW, NotePad is an accessory of Windows. It is not an HTML editor, but you can write code and save it as an HTML file. (I'm sure that you knew this, Rosemary, but I mention it for others reading these posts) My recommendation for anyone who wants to do a vanity page is to download one of the freebies (AOL has free software for either PC's or Mac's) or use the wizards that is on almost all ftp webspaces. I certainly wouldn't recommend Dreamweaver for a vanity page. For one thing, it is too expensive. There are many free and demo software programs available that will do an excellent job of a vanity page. All the best, Susan Cochran ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemary I H Powell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Chat: Web Hosting > At 06:00 16/12/01, you wrote: > >Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:02:17 -0500 > >From: Susan Cochran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: Chat: Web Hosting > > > >Laura, do you ever change the CODE page? That is what we are talking about. > >Serious web designers write HTML code that will do different things. Go to a > >webpage, right click it and select "view source". Look at all the pretty > >HTML code. Have you ever written this into a web page? I think not. > >FrontPage will not let you change the HTML code. Most serious web designers > >like to be able to write the latest code into their designs. This is what > >FrontPage will not allow. Dreamweaver is written in "roundtrip HTML" . This > >means that a designer can write whatever they want in the code page and > >Dreamweaver lets it alone. > >All the best, > >Susan Cochran > > Susan, > Err, HTML markup will only tell how to display a page, it is the scripting > languages (javascript, php, Perl, etc) that do things on it... > > While I use and LIKE Dreamweaver, it too can be a pain in the butt. It will > generate bloated markup and proprietary tags just as happily as Frontpage. > (Just try doing some complicated layout via layers/tables, and switch from > layers to tables and back, and you will see what I mean.) And its > javascript has to be seen to be believed! It is ALSO used by many web > "designers" who do not have a clue what goes on behind the scenes. I will > only ever used DW for layout, I then go back and clean it up by hand. > > Frontpage has been/is notorious for producing both buggy and proprietary > markup. It is designed to work hand in glove with Internet Explorer - and > Microsoft is a law unto itself and has a hard time believing that anyone > might use anything else. So there are MANY pages that will not render or > work correctly, or even show up at all in other browsers. If you are just > doing a vanity page that is good and fine, but there are so-called > "professional" sites where I have had to switch to IE in order to view > them; Netscape is far less forgiving than IE for some markup errors. > > My choice, and there WAS nothing else when I first started, is to use a > proper HTML editor, and there are some nice (and some free) ones available. > And these are what I would recommend to anybody who wants to do this > seriously. But these editors too will allow you to make the most awful > messes if you don't fully understand what you are doing, and unless you > validate your markup when you are done. > > Many people have been led to believe that there is some real mystique to > making a web page, whereas really all you are doing for a simple page is > some very basic "word processing". Dreamweaver and Frontpage will both > allow you to make more sophisticated and fancy pages with very little > knowledge. Since so many people now want a web site of their own and are > either not able or not willing to pay for quality professional services, or > want to have a go at designing their site themselves, Frontpage - with all > it failings - allows many of them to realise this dream cheaply and easily. > > And to keep this sort of on topic cavalier-wise, how many of you have > decorated you pages for Christmas, or put up some Christmas Cavalier > photos? By whatever method you use to do this :-) > > Rosemary (getting off her soapbox) > > > > > > -- > Rosemary I.H. 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