Frankly, I wish that all bitch owners would be happy with direct AIs. They are our very first choice, followed by a hooded culture, followed last of all by the run of Baytril. AIs are safe for the dog and the bitch, and the litter size appears to be the same. I find that a lot of bitch owners do not have faith in the AI procedure. Myra Savant
>From: Leanne Bertani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [CKCS-L] antibiotics, etc >Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:56:52 -0500 > >There will certainly be varied opinions among veterinarians regarding the >antibiotic issue, and here's why: > >The problem with prophylactic antibiotics is that the best culture is taken >at the beginning of the season because the cervix is partially open. There >is no point in testing for mycoplasma in the vagina, because it is normal >flora in the vagina -- you are looking for mycoplasma (or E Coli or >whatever) in the uterus. A culture done prior to the season is probably >going to show nothing, or show vaginal flora, but tell you very little >about >the what's in the uterus, because the cervix is closed when the bitch is >not >in season. > >And suppose we do wait until the onset of the season to get the culture? >Well, we have established that pelvic disease may take 2-3 weeks to treat. >Since you are probably not going to get the culture results until well into >the season, and conception takes place prior to 14 days into the season, >well, you see the dilemma. I know some people give Baytril to pregnant >bitches, but you gotta wonder about its effect on cartilage development. >If >the infection is E Coli, then that may be sensitive to ampicillin, which is >safe in pregnancy. If the infection requires Baytril, I guess you could >treat that season and wait to breed until the following season. Al(Myra, >maybe you could answer this one? Why does your vet choose Baytril? I know >it's broad-spectrum, but if you are only worried about one bug -- >mycoplasma --how about erythromycin? Next time you go in, ask if >erythromycin would be sufficient? Cindy, are you here?) > >As Barb mentioned, Baytril is not innocuous. It is hard on the stomach, >and >can cause mental disorientation. Vets call it "Baythrill", for the mental >effects it has (Vets and breeders sometimes take their dog's meds........) > >My own personal opinion, for what it is worth, is that I would not mess >with >the cervix of a healthy bitch (there is an important protective factor in >the cervical mucus -- see abstract below), and I wouldn't put her on >prophylactic antibiotics because I wouldn't want to mess with the normal >flora, which is also protective. As a stud dog owner myself (different >breed), I understand the stud dog owner wanting to protect their dog. I >guess if I wanted to use Myra's dog bad enough, I might consider an AI. >Interesting topic. > >Leanne > > > > >Am J Obstet Gynecol 2001 Sep;185(3):586-92 >An in vitro study of antibacterial properties of the cervical mucus plug in >pregnancy. >Hein M, Helmig RB, Schonheyder HC, Ganz T, Uldbjerg N. > > >Cervical mucus plugs from 56 healthy women in labor were studied by 2 >different antimicrobial assays: Analysis was done by overlaying the >cervical >mucus plug onto an agar plate with imbedded bacteria, and by radial >diffusion assay with group B Streptococcus and Escherichia coli. > >RESULTS: In the agar overlay assay, there was complete inhibition of >clinical isolates of Staphylococcus saprophyticus, E coli, and Pseudomonas >aeruginosa and patient-variable partial-to-complete inhibition of >Enterococcus faecium, Staphylococcus aureus, Streptococcus pyogenes, and >Streptococcus agalactiae. In the radial diffusion assay, cervical mucus >plugs had activity toward group B Streptococcus equivalent to 0.075 >microg/mL of gentamicin and toward E coli equivalent to 0.5 microg/mL of >gentamicin. CONCLUSION: A low-molecular substance with antibacterial >activity in the cervical mucus plug may protect the fetus against ascending >infections. > >========================================================= >"Magic Commands": >to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL >to start it up gain click here: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. >Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > >All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original author. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========================================================= "Magic Commands": to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL to start it up gain click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original author.
