On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:49:36 -0600, Cathy J. Gish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>If you continue to bred blen with dark rivh nose pigment to blen with dark
rich
>nose pigment you will NOT lose nose pigment. You have to make sure the dog
you
>are breeding too does not have a nose out of the bottle. I heard once that
if
>there is a ruby or b/t in the pedigree you will keep rich color. I can
assure
>you there are b/t's and tricolor with weak pigment. Therefore, if you
breed your
>blen with a tricolor with poor pigment you get poor pigment. So just try
to stay
>strong pigment to strong pigment and you won't have a problem either the
dog
>whatever color has strong pigment or it does not.
>
>Just my Opinion humble or not.... LOL
>Cathy J. Gish
>
>Cathryn Bennett wrote:
>
>> hello
>>
>> I would certainly keep a heavily marked Tri-colour if everything else was
>> correct about the dog, markings are at the end of the day the "icing on
the
>> cake" and if her temperament, build and movement are correct then she
would
>> be a useful adition to my breeding programme.
>>
>> Some of the Uk Champion Tri-Colours have been very heavily marked too,
>> Ch.Barsac the Palio and Ch.Millhill Le Frere spring to mind to name a
>> couple!!
>>
>> As for losing the tan etc if you keep going tri to tri, I was told that
if
>> you keep putting blenheim to blenheim then you would loose the depth of
>> nose pigment and that you should breed to a Tri every third or fourth
>> generation to keep that!! I have also been told in the past that putting
>> heavily marked to heavily marked will break up colour, I think at the end
>> of the day you have to trust your own judgement and go with the results,
>> mark it up to experience whatever the result, I have heard of people who
>> got a fantastic litter from a mating so they have gone back and repeated
it
>> only to get nothing the next time (A very well known UK kennel it was
too!!)
>>
>> Cathryn
>>
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Hi there!!

So far I have been very lucky as the line I started out with has
outstandingly good nose pigment, my first boy looked as if his nose had
been dipped in a can of Gloss black paint!! (It hadn't, it is totally
natural!!) A fellow UK breeder I know of used a dog with very good pigment
to a bitch with very good pigment and one of the puppies had what I could
only describe as "dark chocolate" nose pigment, those recessive genes at
play again I think!!

I have always believed that in any mating we try there is a certain "luck"
factor at play too, I just try to put the best dog I can find to the best
bitch I have and pray like crazy that one of the puppies will be what I
wanted from the litter!! If not then it's back to the drawing board,
especially if you have been trying an outcross mating as you can never be
sure what exactly will come to the front with this mating whereas you at
least have a bit of an idea what you will get when you line-breed, mind you
that can give some unexpected results too!! What with the unpredictability
of recessive and dominant gene inheritance being what it is, I think that
most of us can admit that we have had some surprise's over the years when
out babies are born??

I think that despite all the books there are out there on this subject (and
there are some VERY good and informative one's at that) we have to let
Mother Nature take it's course. I for one have read a lot of books on
whelping etc, but have yet to see one of my girls reading the same book
LOL!!

Just my humble opinion is all!

Cathryn

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