I agree. You tried it all and as a last resort, you de-barked her. I agree that you had no choice and I'm happy that it worked well for you and for your little girl. Hey....good try there attempting to blame Robert. Anytime that we can try to blame the male of the species.....any species.....the better off we are. I'm voting that any bad behavior is a sex-linked gene coming from the father, grandfather, uncle you name it as long as it's male. Myra
>From: Kim Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] CKCS-L Digest - 28 Feb 2002 - Special issue > (#2002-265) >Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:39:37 -0800 > >Dear List- > Not usually one to beat a dead horse, however..... > As one who has been on both sides of the fence... > A Golden breeder of 25 years, I could never understand folks who had >noisy dogs >they couldn't control/train. When people would ask, "how do you keep them >so >quiet?", my short and snotty answer was that you simply trained them not to >bark...As a person who has trained dogs to their UD, TD and SH (field >stuff) levels, >I firmly believed that no behavioral problems was insurmountable... > My second generation into Cavaliers. I ended up with one who is an >irascible >(thank you Sharone, for that word) talker. She would bark at a bug, the >sun, the >moon, if you were walking away ot walking towards, an open door, a closed >door, >anything. She would bark during obedience training, doing agility >obstacles, riding >in the car. She barked at night while dreaming. > Her mother and grandmother are fairly quiet-yips at food time, excited >chattering >when home from a long trip-otherwise silent. Dad was, well, I don't >know-you tell >me, Jeannie, is Robert a nuisance? Is that why you sent him to the USA? > We tried it all...training...crates...spray water bottles...citronella >collars...shock collars...positive reinforcement...negative >reienforcement...clickers....more attention...less attention...all that was >gained >was a teary eyed (from all the citronella), neck burned (from the E collar >that >would had downed an elephant) always wet (from the spray bottle) rather >confused, >barking dog. With very pissy neighbors. > A year ago, for the first time in my 27 years plus in dogs, I had a dog >debarked. >A vet, 2 hours away, that specialized in the surgery, with recommendations >from top >Basinji and Sheltie breeders. I was conflicted, ashamed, mortified. I had >a drink >with a friend at 10 am in the morning after dropping her off, I was so >upset at >myself. > It was the best $250.00 US$ I had EVER spent in my life. > Miss Viva is smart, agile, happy, the first in any empty lap and still >"barks" >continually. No more various collar tortures, no more crates at night (she >sleeps >on the bed now), no more "5 minute only" outsides, no more water bathes, >yelling (me >or the neighbors), earplugs or muzzles. She has had to date 14 puppies ( >a very >fertile little girl!), none of whom seem to have that excessive talking >gene. She's >glad, I'm glad, my husband is glad, the neighbors are ecstatic. > A year ago, I drove to the vet with a physical pain in my chest-I >couldn't believe >that I was reduced to a surgical intervention on a "trainable" problem. >When asked >today, I announce that it was easily the most valuable investment I have >ever made >and frankly, knowing what I know now, if I didn't have the money for the >trick, I >would "trick" a few night until I did!!! > Not every talkative dog needs to be debarked. Individualism is certainly >the key >in training, breeding, caring for, and living with dogs and other beings. >But >please take my experience into account before you re-home, collar torture >or destroy >the psyche of a dog due to this issue-I now feel that surgical intervention >is just >one more path to consider. > Best Regards from a peaceful hovel- > Kim Johnson > Allegria Cavaliers and Gold-Rush Goldens >-- > Kim Johnson >http://www.leftcoastfarm.com > 100% Kona Coffee >"a cup a day keeps you jammin'" > >========================================================= >"Magic Commands": >to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL >to start it up gain click here: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. >Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > >All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. Myra Savant Gardengate Cavaliers _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================= "Magic Commands": to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL to start it up gain click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author.
