John Rudd wrote:
> Dennis Peterson wrote:
> 
>> With the tools we have available to us today there is no reason a failed 
>> process should remain a secret.
>>
> 
> Which does not explain the push-back on having the 
> applications/services/daemons provide better documentation and triggers 
> for helping that effort, instead of immediately attacking the OP as 
> though they're an inadequate sysadmin for having requested that higher 
> level of participation from the application/service/daemon authors.

For my part I'm only kvetching about admins who become helpless when 
these services on not included in the box.

dp
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