------------------------------------------------------- GNU Classpath Meeting Minutes from 2005-10-07 17:00 UTC
------------------------------------------------------- "No fireworks. Just smiling happy hackers wondering when they could get back to business and add some new code..." -- Mark Wielaard about the meeting This evening at 17:00 UTC GNU Classpath held its first official meeting! It was suggested by Mark because he thought that a little bit of (real-time) coordination would be nice due to the development taking place at such a high pace these times. The following agenda was adopted: - Intro/Why a meeting? - Next release (when/what) - Testing setup? - Anyone blocked on something? - Random thoughts. No further topics have been suggested. Intro/Why a meeting? -------------------- Basically, Mark explained, he could not believe that everything is going on smoothly. He studied Apache's procedures and asked the attendents whether these would be useful for Classpath, too. However everybody seemed happy with the way it is and Mark was a surprized that people seem so happy to hack on GNU Classpath while the project has no real formal structure. Next release: ------------- No change is being done to the current bi-monthly release schedule. The next snapshot release will be in November 2005. Mark was worried about introducing dependencies on Gtk+-2.8 and Cairo-1.0.0 . These would be a necessity of the AWT rework[0]. Sven added that he does not expect these changes before 0.19 . Unfortunately Thomas was not present to discuss the item so we remained at postponing any major AWT rework to a time after the November release. ------------ Intermission ------------ Before we advanced to the next topic everyone thanked Audrius for his truly amazing work on the CORBA implementation. Testing setup? -------------- Before each and every release Mark does a lot of manual Mauve runs and wondered why this could not be automated. Tom already has some basics for an automated test environment but needs a destination for result notifications. Mark's proposal to create a new mailing list called 'classpath-testresults' was accepted immediately. Having developer.classpath.org and a new box set up by Jim Pick would provide enough resources for an automated Mauve and GUMP run. The latter is already running on one of Apache's machines with Kaffe. Mark reminded himself to ask Leo about sending results to the new testresult mailing list. A short discussion about which testresults should be on the list concluded with the idea to not filter anything in the beginning and refine the involved scripts over time. Additionally Tom's script will be published at some point making it possible for everyone to run fully automated tests. Anyone blocked on something? ---------------------------- Integration of GNU Crypto was mentioned and that we have to wait for Casey's rewrite of it. Mark stated that Casey would be the only one being able to do the integration nicely. Random thoughts --------------- Mark wanted that people go through the bug list from time to time and clean it up. David pleaded for more Mauve tests. Which brought Sven to the idea to ask for more quality control on the tests as he had some problems with broken tests before. He reminds to be extra wary if any test fails on the JDK. Some of them may be correct but sometimes it would be a bit easy to jump to the conclusion that the JDK is wrong, when it is actually ambiguity in the spec. (If the spec is ambiguous, then whatever the JDK does has to be viewed as 'correct'). Mark liked the idea of the FreeSwingApplications page[1] which Robert set up. He hoped to see more lists of free software applications (running on GNU Classpath). James Damour, one of MegaMek's[2] project maintainers and advocate of GNU Classpath, suggested to contact the projects listed on the FreeSwingApplications page to let them know that we are working on getting their programs to run. @James: It would be nice if the authors could add some information about the kind of Swing components they use. Finally James is "hoping that there will be more volunteers to help!" As this came up after the meeting: If you wonder whether you are tainted or not. The ClasspathFirstSteps page[3] has the appropriate information. Nevertheless having seen parts of the core library does not hinder you from writing (and/or maintaining) Mauve[4] test cases or Classpath demo applications. That was it - Everybody seemed to have enjoyed the meeting. In fact people we in such a good mood that nobody asked for the date of the next meeting. Perhaps this will be solved on the main discussion mailing list. cu Robert [0] - http://developer.classpath.org/mediation/ClasspathGraphicsImagesText [1] - http://developer.classpath.org/mediation/FreeSwingTestApps [2] - http://megamek.sf.net [3] - http://developer.classpath.org/mediation/ClasspathFirstSteps [4] - http://sources.redhat.com/mauve/ _______________________________________________ Classpath mailing list [email protected] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/classpath
