> On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Gregg Reynolds <d...@mobileink.com> wrote:
> 
> very interesting stuff, esp. the sociological bits:
> 
> http://stackoverflow.com/insights/survey/2017 
> <http://stackoverflow.com/insights/survey/2017>
> 
> sadly, clojure does not even rank in popularity.  but it's number 1 in pay 
> worldwide.  o sweet vengeance!

Some fun reading in there, Clojure features a couple of times. It would be fun 
to watch for spikes in traffic to Clojure related resources, because I'm sure 
that landing "most highly paid" will cause a few people to sit up and take 
notice.

This did get me thinking though. If the community *did* want to score highly on 
some of these metrics, what would those be? Or do none of them adequately 
capture what is valued by the Clojure community?

I think I'd claim that popularity is a terrible metric, even though it can be 
gratifying to be popular. The fact that lots of people do a particular thing 
doesn't mean that thing is inherently good, or worth striving for. Some very 
popular things are bad lifestyle choices, like smoking, a diet high in sugary 
foods, and writing JavaScript.

Conversely some very, very good things can die from even the perception of 
being unpopular. We often get people asking on the subreddit why they find so 
many "abandoned" libraries in Clojure. The fact a piece of software might have 
been written years ago, and still be perfectly usable, is such an anomaly in 
more "popular" languages that people assume we've all curled up and died. I 
recently had a project steered away from Clojure (suffice to say it was a very 
good fit, I thought) due to concerns around the availability of Clojure 
programmers in the long term. In Silicon Valley. Where you can throw a rock in 
the air and be certain it will hit a programmer on the way down.

Anyway, my personal metric for Clojure success would be: "for projects where 
Clojure is an appropriate technical fit, how often are you able to choose 
Clojure?" It's a selfish metric but the higher it goes, the happier I am ;)

Luke.

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