I agree. There’s been a lot of hand-wringing about the potential impending “Slackpocalypse” and it seems like some people think this is a problem that needs to be “solved” (by consensus) – but, despite a lot of conversations (in the #community-development channel on the Clojurians Slack primarily), no “perfect solution” has yet been agreed… and to be honest that’s very unlikely to happen: different people have different criteria for what is acceptable.
Putting on my Clojurians Admin Hat, what I’d like to see happen here is for each proposed “solution”: Post a new thread on this mailing list with a subject “Slack alternative? <insert name of system here>” – with a brief overview of what the system is, what platforms it runs on (including native mobile if available) and, most importantly, how to sign up and try it out for Clojure-related chatter. Please include links to the service/product and other stuff you think is relevant ☺ Until folks actually go and sign up and try out each service, we’re not going to make progress. As folks try each service, they can provide feedback in the relevant thread – both positive as well as negative (constructively) please! We’re almost certainly not going to find a replacement for Slack (or any other communications medium) but we may find several new, additional ways to communicate as a community. Sean Corfield -- (970) FOR-SEAN -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." -- Margaret Atwood On 5/23/17, 6:22 PM, "Colin Yates" <clojure@googlegroups.com on behalf of colin.ya...@gmail.com> wrote: I've only been skimming this but "analysis paralysis" comes to mind :-). What is the harm in establishing a presence in matrix (bagsy the "neo" handle) and letting people know? As has been said, people will vote with their feet so if in a months time matrix is a Clojure ghost town then lesson learned. Or, if I have missed some pertinent fact then by all means, sigh, tut and mutter "sheesh, these drive by commenters are annoying" :-). On Wednesday, 24 May 2017, Herwig Hochleitner <hhochleit...@gmail.com> wrote: 2017-05-23 23:04 GMT+02:00 Colin Fleming <colin.mailingl...@gmail.com>: On 24 May 2017 at 00:13, Herwig Hochleitner <hhochleit...@gmail.com> wrote: I doubt the whole community would want to move anywhere from Slack. Perhaps this will have to wait until Slack inevitably throws us off, then. What I'm saying is, that the whole community isn't in a single place anyway. Slack happens to be most popular, right now, but we are spread across IRC, gitter / github, slack, mailing lists, discord, stack overflow, reddit and probably many more. IMO trying to move everybody to one thing is an exercise in futility, but consuming / producing to / from all those places through a generic protocol is a realistic hope, as matrix is proving right now. It's a far cry from searching for "cursive" from anywhere in Clojurians, though. Searching for channels based on some vague criteria seemed difficult, and searching for Clojure related content across channels is also a pretty bad experience. Granted, matrix' search facilities are far from optimal, as of now. But unlike the alternatives, just about everybody could be (and somebody probably is) improving on that. There has been some talk of making a Clojure-related room directory in an external webpage or something but it's still a kludge. I'm not sure to what extent this would be fixed if we ran our own room server, but then someone has to maintain that. Same. This is currently being worked on: https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/2454 I'd just like to mention, that in the year or so, that I've been using matrix, the stream of improvements has been pretty steady. So while it might not currently do everything we need, it's the best hope for bridging the community across all the various services that (will continue to) exist. 2017-05-23 23:31 GMT+02:00 Alan Moore <kahunamo...@coopsource.org>: I watched the matrix video linked above and it seems there is a Slack bridge that would allow Slack fans to stay put and others to choose their own client or even go back to IRC. What am I missing? The slack bridge is working fine, but slack has a nagging limitation of one bridged room per organization or some "monetization incentive" like that. If slack allowed a full bridge, "slackpocalypse" and its message limit would already be a solved problem. Such are the ways of proprietary services ... I too have no skin in this game... I still prefer this mailing list, as is self evident. I suppose I could build a matrix bridge for Google Groups. related: https://github.com/turt2live/matrix-email-bot On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Andy Fingerhut <andy.finger...@gmail.com> wrote: I have no skin in this game, but wasn't the move to Slack pretty much a "vote with your feet" combined with word of mouth advertising? It seems to me the same could happen to add another on-line chat tool/system, without anyone taking a poll/voting on this or any other medium. We'll know when it has happened by the rumor mill on Slack, IRC, and/or this email group. Agreed, hence I advertise matrix because I hope more people will see it as a way, better than just a different silo. If "feet" will still choose a silo, there'll be a matrix bridge, as good as silo allows. Hence the risk of choosing wrong is minimized for everybody switching to matrix. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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