Wrexsoul, please mate, these are good guys. Remember the beauty and
tradition of the language you're learning. It's a lisp and gives you
the power to effortlessly create almost any abstraction you can
imagine. Not being convinced of the beauty of this, open you mind a
bit and humble yourself some in order to feel that wonder. Otherwise
you'll just feel you're using a fairly new and immature language that
just doesn't have much traction in the real world yet and hits your
with inconveniences here and there which you wouldn't have to deal
with in other places. But then you miss the feeling of getting to work
with a system that'll create what you imagine, and that's important to
feel whatever you're using. You possibly didn't feel that way in your
other language, even if it had nice enterprise level documentation.
Even if you just want to be more productive, this feeling of freedom
of expression is key. I've personally felt it here and in haskell and
not anywhere else.

Sure clojure is still new and immature. I've felt your feeling of
incompleteness. But guess what, that feeling gives you an excuse. And
excuse to read core code. An excuse to implement things that belong
here and know that you've created something good. Really, a reason to
learn and say "what brand new thing can I do in clojure today?"

Every day.

Rest of you guys, if you ignore prideful people's pride and focus on
the person... well, you find out that they really are people...
eventually... maybe. We'll see. But I have a feeling wrex could really
love how functional this lang is.

peace all,
-max
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