Hello!

On 10 Apr., 18:57, Phil Hagelberg <p...@hagelb.org> wrote:

> > Like Ævar, I am not aware of any other language mode that makes the
> > usual way of installing/configuring as hard asswank-clojure. That is
> > why I use a pretty ancient version of it, which in turn prevents me
> > from using the latest cvs slime (I don't know ifswank-clojureworks
> > with slime head atm), another PITA for people using Slime for both CL
> > andClojure, but another topic.
>
> I don't think that's a fair comparison. Do you know of any other elisp
> modes that must maintain compatibility across three wildly different
> Lisp dialects while being distributed across two separate package
> managers?

I didn't mean to be unfair, I know you a little from IRC, you were
always polite and helpful, and as I said, I really appreciate the work
being done. The problems (for me) started before you were  swank-
clojure's maintainer.

There was a time when installing swank-clojure in the "usual" emacs
way was basically a no-brainer for someone accustomed to emacs.
Granted, it is definitely not a trivial language-mode, but I just feel
that every improvement that has been done to make swank-clojure more
newbie-friendly made it more hard to use in the "traditional" way.

I am not sure wether that it is distributed across two separate
package managers or compatibility across Lisp dialects is the reason
for the status quo. I rather have the impression that much more time
and work was invested in making it easy to use in an automagical than
in keeping it useable the "traditional" way. Don't get me wrong: I
don't want to blame you or anyone else, and after all it's just an
impression.

> > Ideally, it should be made easy for both groups.
>
> A capital idea. Are you volunteering? =)

While I am capable of keeping an old version working for me, I am not
sure if I could be of much help for you. What I do is just having one
clojure.jar, running it from the command line, and connecting to swank
via slime-connect. No downloading of anything, no automatic
configuration of anything, no automatic testing. That's pretty much
all I need and want. Since the current version of swank-clojure seems
to have moved on from what I use and (half-way) understand, I think
I'd be of little help. Frankly, I care as much about Elpa as I care
about customize ... I'm happy when I don't have to deal with it.

That being said, I'll take a look at the recend codebase and see if I
can wrap my head around it. If I can contribute anything of help, I'll
let you know.


Cheers

dhl

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