This could be one way to solve the problem in the example and keep a
uniform API:
(def joe {:age ((fn [] (- 2011 1979)))})
(:age joe)
#> 32

Any comments on that?

On Jun 15, 8:41 pm, Colin Yates <colin.ya...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Newbie so go gentle please :).  
>
> I am an experienced OO Java developer (decade +) considering jumping fence
> to a functional language, and clojure is pretty high up on the list for a
> number of reasons.
>
> I am so used to defining everything as objects which are sealed units of
> state and behaviour that I am struggling to see how to solve the same
> problem with clojure.  I desperately wish somebody would write a "domain
> driven design with clojure" :).
>
> In brief, in OO state is exposed via a well defined API.  That state may be
> simple properties (values) or it may be calculations (functions).  And
> critically, the decision as to whether it is a value or a function is an
> implementation concern.  The Java Bean spec defines accessors for properties
> of a class, behind which lies the logic of how to retrieve that state.  So,
> the very common Person class will expose get/setName(), get/setAge() etc.
> and as a consumer I have no idea how the results are calcualted.
>
> In Clojure, if I understand correctly, the preferred way would be to use a
> map (or defstruct) with keys such as :name and :age.  These are then
> retrieved as (person :name) and (person: age) etc.  
>
> My question is if I suddenly decided that one of those values is best
> implemented as a calculation, how can I seamlessly implement that.  By
> seamless I mean implement it without updating any consumers of a person?
>  For example, if I changed the age property to be  the result of a function,
> I could either replace the value of age with a function that calculates age
> or write a function(person)->age.
>
> Both of those are disruptive to the consumers of person.
>
> I understand that clojure is about explicitly distinguishing between state
> and functions, but I see this as a high price to pay.  Have I missed
> something?  The OO in me is saying "well, never introspect a map directly,
> rather provide get-X(person) functions" but that is very very noisy.
>
> That's enough for now - this is, I expect, the first of many cries for help
> :)
>
> Thanks in advance to all who reply!

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