On Jul 7, 8:35 pm, nchubrich <nchubr...@gmail.com> wrote
> > someone whose name I can't remember right now > > once said, "There are no bad students, only bad teachers." There are three good books already and more on the way (I look forward to Clojure in Action later this month), there are excellent videos on blip.tv (Rich Hickey's are some of the best programming talks I've ever seen), there are tons and tons and tons of books on Java, and there's ample, ample lisp literature. I don't buy the "user-friendliness" argument or "bad teachers". This is a technical trade, not an end user application for grampa. What's more, people are not in the business of education; they're gracious enough to share their code. I also don't understand why people are in such a rush to get hacking clojure code right away; Peter Norvig has argued that it takes a long time to learn to program, and I would suggest to anyone considering a new language to learn to allow themselves an adequate amount of time well ahead to do the homework required. I think for those who come to clojure having had some Java experience, some lisp experience, some functional programming experience o the ML/Haskell family, then the language is actually such a leap in simplification. For people's sense of sanity, it's not wise to try to run before you walk. Am I being a "blowhard" by saying this?! I don't believe so, this is a reality. I have expressed an opinion that clojure is for the advanced programmer (Java/lisp/ML-Haskell), and there are perhaps some simpler language (eg. python, which is quite capable and I'm actually quite fond of). But fine, people are free to be impatient and get frustrated and depressed if they so insist. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
