> Documentation around libraries (and elsewhere) is recognized > as a primary weakness, but starting a new, larger web Framework project > isn't an obvious solution to that very distributed problem.
Agree 100% with this. I think the various libraries are mostly at the right level, and are mostly being worked on a the right pace, but having a wiki-like place with tutorials and contributed project examples (or walk-throughs of open stuff already available) showing how all of the pieces can be used together (including both clj and cljs), and which pieces are right for various types of projects would be beneficial, I think. Like everyone else, time is not plentiful right now, but I'd be willing to contribute if someone has time to take the lead. - Mark On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Chas Emerick <c...@cemerick.com> wrote: > If I may offer a couple of counterpoints: > > Compojure is slightly more popular than noir, at least based on the (perhaps > faulty) measures of stars and forks on github, and "used by" count on > http://clojuresphere.herokuapp.com. > > There are good reasons why a Rails-esque framework has not yet caught on > with Clojure programmers. Libraries > frameworks, and all the goodness that > flows from that. Given that perspective (smaller libraries made to compose > trivially), there's really not enough work for 5-6 people to do on a single > project. Better to have some very large number of people working together > on a plurality of focused libraries. > > From the data we have[1], people are being quite successful with Clojure in > web development contexts (anecdotally, using Compojure as well as Noir and > others, too). Documentation around libraries (and elsewhere) is recognized > as a primary weakness, but starting a new, larger web Framework project > isn't an obvious solution to that very distributed problem. > > Finally, although it is not free, note that 'Clojure Programming'[2] > provides a "from scratch" tutorial of how to use Ring, Compojure, and > Enlive. > > Cheers, > > - Chas > > [1] http://cemerick.com/2012/07/19/2012-state-of-clojure-survey/ > [2] http://www.clojurebook.com > > On Sep 28, 2012, at 3:36 AM, goracio wrote: > > Hi > So i'd like to point to the problem here. Clojure web framework in google > get these results, at least for me > 1. noir > 2. stackoverflow question 2008 year > 3. stackoverflow question 2010 year > 4. joodo ( outdated thing developed by one person) > 5. Compojure ( routing dsl) > So there is no popular framework these days for clojure. > Noir is mostly Chris Granger thing. As he make Lighttable today Noir > developed by some other people ( or may be on person not sure). Main site > instructions are nice but already outdated ( lein2). No news, no blog, no > new features, no examples, no infrastructure. Lein new project, insert noir > in dependencies and you don't have working app, you must add :main and stuff > to work. What about testing ? no info, no structure, decide on your own. > It's no secret that web development today is biggest and popular trend. If > language and it's community have good web framework that language will gain > more popularity. > Take Ruby on rails it has over 30 core contributers, huuuge community, > active development, industry standart web development framework. Good > testing, development infrastracture, easy start, sprockets for js css > managment and so on. Also it has some books about testing and framework > itself which is good start point for newbies. > I like Clojure, for simplicity mostly. It has amazing power and i believe it > can be very good platform for web development. > So what i suggest : > Take 1 platform for web development in Clojure (for example noir as most > mature framework) . > Form working core group from 5-6 people. > Decide about name of the project ( or take Noir) > Make good site about it > Make a plan for development ( what core features should have first version) > Make first version > Make couple good examples > Make good documentation and maybe a book ( community book for example on > github that will be online and updated frequently). > -------------- > http://www.playframework.org/ good example what site could be > Alternative to online book can be guides, as for ruby on rails > http://guides.rubyonrails.org/index.html > Another good news that there is nice web IDE for Clojure by Bodil Stokke > https://github.com/bodil/catnip. Super easy install, very nice insterface, > reactive interface ( no need for browser refresh, autorecompile when you > save ) web based ! and under active development, just perfect place for > newbies to start. So this project also can be added to Clojure Web framework > project. > Also we have ClojureScript so Clojure web framework would be perfect place > where this thing can shine. > Let's discuss. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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