Hi Ye,

> or at least *Do Not Use *those standard names*.*

The following guide suggests the opposite.

http://dev.clojure.org/display/community/Library+Coding+Standards
> Use good names, and don't be afraid to collide with names in other 
namespaces. That's what the flexible namespace support is there for.

Takahiro

On Sunday, August 4, 2013 11:25:34 AM UTC+9, Ye He wrote:
>
> Yesterday, I spent hours trying to figure out why some code didn't work. 
> The code is like so:
> (defn replace-symbol-in-ast-node [old new ast]
>   (tree-replace (symbol old) (symbol new) ast))
>
> I use tree-replace directly like this:
> (ast/tree-replace (symbol 'a) (symbol 'c) (ast/sexp->parsley '(+ a b)))
>
> I thought the result would the the same but I was wrong. After hours of 
> thinking, I finally figured it out.
> Guess what? The 'symbol' function in the first code snippet is not the 
> standard 'symbol'. It actually is:
> (defn symbol [sym]
>   (make-node :atom (core/vector (name sym))))
>
> It's defined in another library. But I stupidly thought it was the 
> standard 'symbol'.
> Part of this was my fault, I guess. I shouldn't have taken it for granted 
> and guessed its meaning. But who know? 
> In my opinion if we use less :use, it would easier for others to read our 
> code and less likely to misunderstand the meaning, or at least *Do Not 
> Use *those standard names*.*
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 1:50:50 AM UTC+10, Greg wrote:
>>
>> I think I read somewhere that :use is no longer encouraged, but I could 
>> be mistaken. 
>>
>> From what I've read, it seems like most people agree that Clojure has too 
>> many ways of including/importing/referencing/requiring/using things: 
>>
>>
>> http://blog.8thlight.com/colin-jones/2010/12/05/clojure-libs-and-namespaces-require-use-import-and-ns.html
>>  
>>
>> The above gives a very nice explanation of all the various difference, 
>> but it also acknowledges their complexity. 
>>
>> Since :use uses :require, and since :require can do everything that :use 
>> can, can we simplify Clojure programming a bit for newcomers by deprecating 
>> the use of :use? The situation in ClojureScript is even worse because it 
>> adds :require-macros on top of all the other ways of including files. 
>>
>> Ideally, it would be awesome if there was just a single directive for 
>> everything, but perhaps there's some complicated low-level reason why 
>> that's not possible. :-\ 
>>
>> Thoughts? 
>>
>> Thanks, 
>> Greg 
>>
>> P.S. If this has already been brought up you have my sincere apologies. 
>>
>> -- 
>> Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing 
>> with the NSA. 
>>
>>

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