On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Tim Visher wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Lee Spector <lspec...@hampshire.edu> wrote:
>> On Dec 17, 2013, at 6:01 AM, Cedric Greevey wrote:
>>> 
>>> Calling emacs "incidental complexity" is like calling the North Pole "a bit 
>>> nippy this time of year". :)
>> 
>> The thing is, it's actually possible to have the power of emacs without the 
>> incidental complexity of currently available emacs versions. It has been 
>> done before, e.g. with FRED (FRED Resembles Emacs Deliberately, in Macintosh 
>> Common Lisp). Emacs under the hood, but modern GUI design and usability.
> 

Certainly a step in the right direction, IMHO, but from what I recall from the 
last time I checked (and seem to have confirm from a quick new check) setup and 
integration with Clojure are non-trivial. I haven't had the full experience 
because I never made it over this setup-usability hurdle. Also, the mac-only 
thing is less than ideal and it should be possible to do something similar in a 
cross-platform way, although to be fair FRED was also mac only.

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