No worries, I didn't think what you wrote was inflammatory and it's undeniable that Emacs has the largest mindshare in the Clojure world. But the alternatives are getting better and better and I think I could make a reasonable case that Cursive is better than Emacs for some circumstances and/or projects. I personally didn't like the initial versions of LightTable (it felt like a bit of a one-trick pony and the trick didn't really work for me) but the guys working on it are smart and I'm sure it's getting a lot of plugin love now it's open source, so I'm sure that'll be a real contender soon if it isn't already.
Emacs clearly works for the OP so there's no issue there, but I think it's less and less a foregone conclusion that everyone will end up there. I personally wouldn't work for you if you forced me to use it, but that's just me :-) On 11 April 2014 22:04, Colin Yates <colin.ya...@gmail.com> wrote: > Colin - you are right - I shouldn't throw out such inflammatory marks, > particularly when they do a disservice to the excellent work done in > Cursive Clojure, Lighttable and Counter Clockwise (and others that I am not > aware off). > > For me personally, after years of using Eclipse then IntelliJ and (to a > much lesser degree) Sublime I am forcing my team to use emacs. And yes, > forcing is the word as they are utterly sold on sublime and really don't > like me much at the moment :). > > It is the classical short term/long term win, and emacs is worth the > investment for us. But it absolutely is an investment. > > Disclaimer - I haven't looked at any of the other editors for months if > not years. > > > On Friday, April 11, 2014 10:20:37 AM UTC+1, Colin Fleming wrote: > >> you can fight it as hard as you like but you will eventually end up using >>> emacs, clojure-mode, cider, paredit and magit and then wonder how you ever >>> lived without it, but not without spending at least a month or two cursing >>> anything to do with emacs :). >>> >> >> As the developer of Cursive, I'd like to politely disagree with this >> point. I think that Cursive provides a very competitive feature set but >> without the swearing :-). Of course I'm totally biased, so take with a >> grain of salt, but I think particularly for Clojure newbies it's worth a >> look - learning Emacs at the same time as Clojure can be a recipe for >> frustration. >> >> Of course, it doesn't have to be Cursive, there are other options in case >> Emacs gives you hives. >> >> >> On 11 April 2014 20:17, Colin Yates <colin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> As others have said - a more focused question would help. >>> >>> Our back end runs on ring + compojure using https://github.com/jkk/ >>> honeysql for querying and straight https://github.com/clojure/java.jdbcfor >>> writes. We use >>> https://github.com/marick/Midje/wiki rather than clojure.test and >>> https://github.com/gdeer81/marginalia for documentation. >>> >>> This is the first major Clojure app, so lots of lessons have been >>> learnt. Things I wish I knew: >>> >>> - read the ring spec - it is all just a map, phenomenally powerful. >>> Now read it again >>> - consider using https://github.com/zcaudate/lein-midje-doc as well >>> as/instead of marginalia >>> - consider using https://github.com/jaycfields/expectations instead >>> of midje. Midje is fantastic, but expectations, particularly the >>> 'diffing' >>> looks like a real win >>> - consider using something like https://github.com/prismatic/schemato >>> document your API from day one. >>> - you can fight it as hard as you like but you will eventually end >>> up using emacs, clojure-mode, cider, paredit and magit and then wonder >>> how >>> you ever lived without it, but not without spending at least a month or >>> two >>> cursing anything to do with emacs :). >>> >>> Just my random, off the cuff thoughts. Hope they help. >>> >>> On Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:13:19 PM UTC+1, Kashyap CK wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I have the opportunity to build a set of services from scratch. 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