I certainly have some personality disorders, but I am not bipolar :) What am I ? Help ! :)
Luc P. > > And never has this author proven that programmers with bipolar > personality are > > programming more LISP then other languages. > > It's a metaphor. The author is not actually diagnosing Lisp programmers > with bipolar disorder. The metaphor offers an image of a particular kind of > student who starts stuff but doesn't finish stuff. > > > > > On Sunday, May 3, 2015 at 2:52:22 PM UTC-4, Leon Grapenthin wrote: > > > > No, it isn't. And never has this author proven that programmers with > > bipolar personality are programming more LISP then other languages. > > > > Many larger libraries in the Clojure community are well documented and > > "finished-off properly". > > > > Web frameworks have been tried and not been picked up. Users have chosen > > the modular compose it yourself approach. Framework authors have simply > > stopped maintaining what nobody wanted anyway or split them up into smaller > > pieces. > > > > > > On Sunday, May 3, 2015 at 8:25:22 PM UTC+2, larry google groups wrote: > >> > >> > >> > The web development industry as reflected in job postings at > >> > Indeed.co.uk is still dominated by the likes of Rails, Django, > >> Laravel, > >> > Zend, Symfony & Spring so I'm not sure how you've concluded that > >> there's > >> > been a 15-year trend towards composition. > >> > >> That is a good point, though I would also point out that, according to > >> Indeed.com, the use of Clojure is also growing. To me, what's important is > >> the growth of the Clojure community, rather than the growth of some > >> sub-community focused on a particular niche. > >> > >> However, I acknowledge you may have a point about the failure of any of > >> the Clojure frameworks to take off. It's possible this is another > >> manifestation of the Bipolar Programmer problem: > >> > >> http://www.lambdassociates.org/blog/bipolar.htm > >> > >> "Brilliance and failure are so often mixed together and our initial > >> reaction is it shouldn't be. But it happens and it happens a lot. Why? > >> ...But brilliance is not enough. You need application too, because the > >> material is harder at university. So pretty soon our man is getting B+, > >> then Bs and then Cs for his assignments. He experiences alternating > >> feelings of failure cutting through his usual self assurance. He can > >> still > >> stay up to 5.00AM and hand in his assignment before the 9.00AM deadline, > >> but what he hands in is not so great. > >> > >> ...So BBMs love Lisp. And the stunning originality of Lisp is reflective > >> of the creativity of the BBM; so we have a long list of ideas that > >> originated with Lispers - garbage collection, list handling, personal > >> computing, windowing and areas in which Lisp people were amongst the > >> earliest pioneers. So we would think, off the cuff, that Lisp should be > >> well established, the premiere programming language because hey - its > >> great > >> and we were the first guys to do this stuff. > >> > >> But it isn't and the reasons why not are not in the language, but in the > >> community itself, which contains not just the strengths but also the > >> weaknesses of the BBM. > >> > >> One of these is the inability to finish things off properly. The phrase > >> 'throw-away design' is absolutely made for the BBM and it comes from the > >> Lisp community. Lisp allows you to just chuck things off so easily, and > >> it is easy to take this for granted. I saw this 10 years ago when looking > >> for a GUI to my Lisp (Garnet had just gone West then). No problem, there > >> were 9 different offerings. The trouble was that none of the 9 were > >> properly documented and none were bug free. Basically each person had > >> implemented his own solution and it worked for him so that was fine. > >> This > >> is a BBM attitude; it works for me and I understand it. It is also the > >> product of not needing or wanting anybody else's help to do something." > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sunday, May 3, 2015 at 9:51:15 AM UTC-4, g vim wrote: > >>> > >>> On 03/05/2015 14:39, larry google groups wrote: > >>> > The industry has been moving against frameworks for 15 years now. The > >>> > peak of the monolithic framework craze was Struts, back in 2000. After > >>> > that, people started craving something less bloated. That's why the > >>> > whole industry was so excited when Rails emerged in 2004. Bruce Eckel > >>> > summed up the sudden change of mood in his essay "The departure of the > >>> > hyper-enthusiasts": > >>> > > >>> > http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=141312 > >>> > > >>> > But after awhile, people began to feel that even Rails was bloated, > >>> > which lead to the emergence of micro-frameworks like Sinatra. > >>> > > >>> > And then, continuing with the trend, we've seen the emergence of > >>> > eco-systems, such as Clojure, that allow the trend to go further: > >>> > Clojure supports such high levels composition that frameworks are no > >>> > longer needed. And this is the direction the industry has been moving > >>> > for the last 15 years. Clojure is simply out in front. Most languages > >>> > don't allow this level of composition. > >>> > > >>> > >>> The web development industry as reflected in job postings at > >>> Indeed.co.uk is still dominated by the likes of Rails, Django, Laravel, > >>> Zend, Symfony & Spring so I'm not sure how you've concluded that there's > >>> been a 15-year trend towards composition. Ruby and Python have had > >>> lightweight composable alternatives for many years but Rails and Django > >>> still dominate. I'm not against the composition at all. I just think we > >>> need more structured alternatives that we can at least brand and market > >>> as well as teach to Clojure beginners. > >>> > >>> gvim > >>> > >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Luc Préfontaine<lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca> sent by ibisMail! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
