>Also, most of the time you do not need any complex "framework" to build a basic webservice with Clojure.
True. Also, what is a basic web service? I have a friend who just got done with the 12 week crash-course in Rails that is offered by DevBootcamp in New York City. In 12 weeks he had to learn: what is an http header? what is a request? what is a response? what is Unix? what is a terminal? basic terminal tools: cd, find, grep, cat, less, |, >, <, sudo, chmod what is a "port" and how does it work with IP addresses? what is DNS? what is an application server? what is a web server? how to set up a reverse proxy Javascript Ruby gems Rails Rake commands: db:migrate, db:load, 'rake routes' etc, ActiveRecord SQL MySql foreign key relationships Javascript pre-processors HTML template languages etc, etc, etc, You get the idea. There is a lot to know. The only language that makes it really easy to get going on the web is PHP. If the question is "How can Clojure be as simple as PHP to get started with?" then I think that is an interesting question, and we could work toward that as a community -- there might be some defaults that eventually let Lisp demonstrate its power to simplify things. But making things as easy as PHP is a difficult challenge. Making things as easy as Rails should be easy, because Rails is not especially easy for beginners. On Wednesday, May 6, 2015 at 9:20:58 AM UTC-4, Stanislav Yurin wrote: > > A bit strange approach. Where are ring, compojure, or maybe .. om? > > Also, most of the time you do not need any complex "framework" to build a > basic webservice with Clojure. > Say, Luminus and Caribou are too complex for me, hence too restrictive. > After writing sufficient amount of fairly good Clojure code, super rapid > web-service mocking skills come to you as a bonus. > > On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 11:43:53 PM UTC+3, g vim wrote: >> >> I recently did some research into web frameworks on Github. Here's what >> I found: >> >> >> FRAMEWORK LANG CONTRIBUTORS COMMITS >> >> Luminus Clojure 28 678 >> Caribou Clojure 2 275 >> >> Beego Golang 99 1522 >> >> Phoenix Elixir 124 1949 >> >> Yesod Haskell 130 3722 >> >> Laravel PHP 268 4421 >> >> Play Scala 417 6085 >> >> Symfony PHP 1130 20914 >> >> Rails Ruby 2691 51000 >> >> >> One could conclude from this that the Clojure community isn't that >> interested in web development but the last Clojure survey suggests >> otherwise. Clojure's library composition approach to everything only >> goes so far with large web applications, as Aaron Bedra reminded us in >> March last year: www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBL59w7fXw4 . Less manpower >> means less momentum and more bugs. Furthermore, I have a hunch that >> Clojure's poor adoption as indicated by Indeed.com maybe due to this >> immaturity in the web framework sphere. Why is it that Elixir, with a >> much smaller community and lifespan than Clojure's, has managed to put 4 >> times as much mindshare into its main web framework when its module >> output, as measured by modulecounts.com, is a tiny fraction of >> Clojure's? >> >> gvim >> >> >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
