So what it really comes down to (for me, at least) is what approaches the API's encourage.
Reagent seems to encourage you to do what I would say is the "right way" (separation of state) from the start, where Om (unintentionally perhaps) encourages you to put everything in one atom, so you have to learn not to do that. But on the flipside it gives powerful state management tools out of the box that you need to provide yourself with Reagent (my instinct is that something like DataScript is a perfect fit!) Overall, it looks like Reagent has a more pure-functional feel while Om has an OO feel, although the render function is actually pure functional (you shouldn't directly set state from it!). Sorry again for derailing your announcement tread, Dmitri! :-( Thanks everyone for chiming in! Its good to get a better understanding of the ecosystem and what everything is good or not so good at! On 14 September 2014 20:18, Gary Trakhman <[email protected]> wrote: > I can get things done with Om + sablono but I'd be interested to > understand the tradeoffs in more detail. > > But it does look like Om is more low-level than Reagent to me. > > On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Matt Ho <[email protected]> wrote: > >> As someone else who's making the switch from om to reagent, I have to >> agree with what folks are saying. It's cleaner and easier to wrap your >> head around reagent than om. After having read the om tutorial many times, >> I found a single walkthru of http://holmsand.github.io/reagent/ and I >> was off to the races. >> >> M >> >> >> On Saturday, September 13, 2014 10:26:12 AM UTC-7, Dmitri Sotnikov wrote: >> > At the end of the day, anything you can do with one you can also do >> with the other. I think the appeal of Reagent, as others have pointed out, >> is that it leads to much shorter and cleaner code by providing a simpler >> and more focused API. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Saturday, September 13, 2014 1:22:31 PM UTC-4, Daniel Kersten wrote: >> > >> > > It sounds like Reafent naturally encourages this model while with Om >> there's a tendency to put everything into one atom - until you learn >> through experience at least! >> > >> > > >> > >> > > On 13 Sep 2014 15:32, "Dmitri Sotnikov" wrote: >> > >> > > That sounds very similar to the Reagent model then. I found that it >> was the natural approach there, since creating local component states is >> straight forward and it makes them readily reusable. This simply wasn't >> clear to me when I tried using Om and I found that the additional >> complexity that Om introduced was completely incidental to the applications >> I was writing. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > On Saturday, September 13, 2014 6:32:58 AM UTC-4, Daniel Kersten >> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Dmitri, I would say that all of the donain data - that is, data >> that you might persist in a database - should be stored in the app state >> atom, but all temporary data about how to display the domain data (what >> page are you on, what tab is visible, is the button pressed, how much of a >> list is being shown, etc etc) should be in component local state. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > From what I've read, this is also how Facebook do things with their >> flux architecture. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > I started writing Om by storing everything in the one atom (I think >> the natural tendency is to do that) but I think you quickly realise that >> it's unwieldy (as you and others have asserted). Because it is! Then you >> transition to a model where the data you are operating on is separated from >> the incidental data and everything becomes much nicer and easier. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > On 12 Sep 2014 21:02, "Dmitri Sotnikov" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > This might simply be my own lack of familiarity with the Om >> workflow. The impression I got was that most state should live in a global >> atom that you create cursors into and communication between components >> should happen using core.async channels. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > On Friday, September 12, 2014 12:11:09 PM UTC-4, Jamie Orchard-Hays >> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > I'm pondering the implications of your comments, Dmitri. In Om, I >> have a single atom for my application data, but I have another atom that >> holds static data I pull from the server, for example lists for drop-down >> select lists. WRT local state, each Om component can have its own local >> state completely separate from the app data. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > On Sep 11, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Dmitri Sotnikov wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > So, good news is that Sean just submitted a patch for Reagent >> cursors a few days ago. Hopefully, that will make it into the next release. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > In terms of performance I would actually expect Reagent to >> behave better than Om since it doesn't force everything into a single state >> atom. Reagent allows easily creating local states and that makes it much >> easier to control what nodes need to be recalculated. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > If I understand it correctly, the worst case for Reagent where >> you use a single state atom for everything is the normal case for Om. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > On Thursday, September 11, 2014 2:34:25 PM UTC-4, Sean Grove >> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> Bit of a sidenote, but now that the libraries are getting more >> mature, It'd be great to see some complex-ish apps (say, Omchaya-size or >> larger, but maybe even CircleCI's frontend >> https://github.com/circleci/frontend) for a side-by-side comparison + >> speed benchmarks, to get a sense of the tradeoffs as apps scale out. I'm >> personally curious about whether Reagent's ease of use comes with a cost at >> some point. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Jamie Orchard-Hays < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> On my project, I was using data in the form of a recursive >> tree--an editable one. I got stuck somewhere WRT to this in Reagent. (I >> wrote a question to the original developer, but he never replied.) For my >> purposes, Om's cursors made handling data updates trivial, so it was a big >> win. However, I'm sure I've put a lot more man hours in the UI development >> with Om than I would have with Reagent. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> So in the end, the fact that I had a recursive tree of data to >> work with gave Om the edge, otherwise I would have used Reagent. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> I also had a look at Quiescent, but it was too thin a layer >> over React for what I'm doing. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> Ideally, we'd have Reagent's UI simplicity combined with Om's >> wonderful app data handling. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> Jamie >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> On Sep 10, 2014, at 10:11 PM, Dmitri Sotnikov < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>> I actually found Reagent's data handling to be very flexible. >> It' makes it easy to create local states for components as well as managing >> the global state using a global state atom. I'd be curious to hear what >> limitations others have run into and how they could be addressed. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>> On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:40:13 AM UTC-4, Jamie >> Orchard-Hays wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>> I'm curious as well. I started with Reagent, but switched to >> Om/Sablono after finding Reagent's app data handling too limited for what I >> needed. The trade-off is much more to think about (complexity) when writing >> Om components. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>> Jamie >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>> On Sep 9, 2014, at 3:51 AM, Daniel Kersten < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>> My apologies for an off topic post in this thread - we can >> take it off list or to a separate thread if it needs more than a simple >> reply - especially since the library looks really good! >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>> Sean could you write a little about why you switched away >> from Om? >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>> I'm just trying to get a better understanding of what pros >> and cons Om and Reagent have and why Reagent is a better fit for your >> specific use case. I've seen a few people switching lately so I'm >> interested in hearing people's thoughts. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>> On 9 Sep 2014 01:01, "Sean Corfield" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>> That looks great Dmitri! We've just made the switch from >> Om/Sablono to Reagent so this will be very handy for us I expect. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>> Sean >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>> On Sep 8, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Dmitri Sotnikov < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>>> The goal of the library is to automate the process of >> binding form elements to a document represented by a map in a Reagent atom. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > 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