Yes, you're definitely right that measuring Cursive use is not a good proxy
for the community as a whole since that also reflects the state of Cursive
itself.

The download metric would be interesting if we could compare, say, the last
3-4 months - I don't know if Clojars stores timestamps with its downloads
or just increments a counter.

On 24 April 2015 at 23:00, David Nolen <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Colin Fleming <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Google trends begs to differ:
>> https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=clojure%2C%20clojurescript&cmpt=q&tz=
>>
>
> I think extrapolating from Google trends is probably not that useful for
> measuring usage.
>
>
>> I was surprised by this because there seems to be a similar level of
>> traffic on the two mailing lists and ClojureScript has had a lot of great
>> work done on it recently, and I had put it down to the fact that Cursive
>> didn't have a very good CLJS REPL story. Perhaps that wasn't the reason
>> after all.
>>
>
> I know that personally there was really little incentive for me to write
> ClojureScript applications with Cursive until even a couple of weeks ago
> without a sensible REPL. But Cursive is still really not that pleasant with
> ClojureScript, as there are a *very* large number of distracting analysis
> gaps wrt. ClojureScript idioms. This would be enough for many people to
> stick with an Emacs/Vim workflow.
>
> I think a better metric is probably measuring downloads of something on
> Clojars that's going to be on many dependency graphs.
>
> https://clojars.org/cljsjs/react/versions/0.12.2-5 vs.
> https://clojars.org/ring/versions/1.3.2
>
> That said, I think the surveys are likely biased towards production
> Clojure users where ClojureScript is probably a more useful element of the
> stack. For example, I would be surprised if that 50% applied to hobbyists
> or anyone who doesn't have the requisite JavaScript knowledge to be
> productive.
>
> David
>
>
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