On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Ewan Mellor <[email protected]> wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Nalley [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: 15 August 2012 14:49 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Binaries (jars) in our source tree/source releases. >> >> > We need to make a decision soon though. Is it OK if I set a deadline of >> > EOD >> tomorrow for your branches to be ready, and then we can have a vote in the >> IRC meeting on Friday, 17:00 UTC? >> >> >> We can not make decisions in IRC. >> >> If it's something we can't get consensus on we should vote on the mailing >> list, >> but lets try and avoid voting unless absolutely necessary - votes have to >> stay >> open for 72 hours. Consensus is much easier. > > *sigh* > > The Cloud Project That Cannot Be Named gets everything done in IRC. It's > very efficient. > > Ewan. > > >
I don't want to sound like I'm preaching, but I think this is worth sharing: I'm here because CloudStack was contributed to the ASF... To me, being part of ASF means that there's a bunch of cultural practices and policy rules that all of us need to get used to (and figure out how to get good at as a community). It also means that we're in an existing foundation with a proven track record for it's approach. I'm betting that the proven track record is a good indicator for our future here. I've actually found that spending a significant amount of my time reading through the apache.org site and other sources for information about "the apache way" has been pretty darn helpful. Things here are different from most other organizations (foundations, standards development orgs, corporations), and it's certainly frustrating at times when it doesn't match my usual project methods / tools. I, for one, am certainly used to making unilateral decisions that have big impacts on projects. But when you think about it in the ASF context, there seems to be clear and thoughtful reason behind most things... you just have to figure out what it is! For anybody that hasn't done this already, I highly recommend reading at least the "How the ASF works" page: http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html Ewan - As for your specific point about efficiency... We'll be able to figure this out. We'll get real-time collaboration on IRC during meetings (for those that are in attendance), we'll send out notes / transcript to this list for everyone's reference, and we'll bring back any questions / decisions to the list for specific debate and timely resolution (hopefully by consensus). -chip
