On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Sheng Yang <sh...@yasker.org> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 6:22 PM, <kdam...@apache.org> wrote: >> Lol, I am in agreement with you Rohit! >> >> I just don't see in the list a CLEAR answer to this thread. > > I think after we switch over, we should send out an announcement, and > list all the things need to be concerned as well: e.g. use reply all > by default, no off-list chat, etc.
Hi David, Who should we ask for follow up on this? --Sheng > > --Sheng >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: rohityada...@gmail.com [mailto:rohityada...@gmail.com] On Behalf >>>Of Rohit Yadav >>>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:17 PM >>>To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC >>> >>>On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Sheng Yang <sh...@yasker.org> wrote: >>>> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:11 PM, <kdam...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>> Can we get a firm answer if we are go for abusing the reply-all button >> now? >>>> >>>> +1 on abusing reply-all button. >>> >>>+1 i.e. to say fix your email client and not the ML. >>> >>>> >>>> --Sheng >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> -kd >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: Sheng Yang [mailto:sh...@yasker.org] >>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:44 PM >>>>>>To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC >>>>>> >>>>>>On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Rohit Yadav <bhais...@apache.org> >>>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Even if we adopt ccing, it is a convention to get a more >>>>>>>>>> efficient >>>>> traffic >>>>>>flow. It is not a must. It is your responsibility to adopt the >>>>> conventions that >>>>>>have evolved on the list to make the list more efficient such as >>>>>>tagged >>>>> topics >>>>>>and ccing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What's the follow up? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think we agree to try adapt CC style? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think so, I see few emails with CCs in them. Send emails with CC >>>>>>> to respective person boldly, and let them configure their email >>>>>>> client so the email does not show up as two emails in their inbox. >>>>>> >>>>>>One thing need to be done from manager of the mailing list. Currently >>>>>>the mailing list automatically remove all the CC/TO except mailing >>>>>>list address >>>>> itself >>>>>>when sending out the mails, and no way to get people CCed >>>>>>automatically after that. >>>>>> >>>>>>And with CC, the most important thing to remember is: Reply All. It >>>>>>would >>>>> be a >>>>>>common mistakes when we start trying it, but I am sure we would be >>>>>>used to it soon. >>>>>> >>>>>>--Sheng >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry, I meant try to adopt CC style. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --Sheng >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --Sheng >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --Alex >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: Sheng Yang [mailto:sh...@yasker.org] >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:01 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Chip Childers >>>>>>>>>>> <chip.child...@sungard.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Edison Su >>>>>>>>>>> > <edison...@citrix.com> >>>>>>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>> >> I am struggling to read all the emails on dev list >>>>>>>>>>> >> everyday, it's just so >>>>>>>>>>> many emails. Is it possible, that enable/allow/encourage us CC >>>>>>>>>>> to somebody if you think the topic he/she should take a look >>>>>>>>>>> at? I think it will save both of us a lot of time. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Edison, >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > I'm fine with CC'ing someone specific when I know that I need >>>>>>>>>>> > their attention, but two caveats that I'm worried about are: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > 1 - I find myself often needing the whole community's >>>>>>>>>>> > attention, for VOTE threads or release planning updates, >>>>>>>>>>> > etc... I struggle to understand how folks want to see this. >>>>>>>>>>> > I thought that VOTE and ACS41 would be sufficient headers for >>>>>>>>>>> > people to actually pay attention to, but it appears to not be >>>working. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I believe the header should be sufficient in the most case, and >>>>>>>>>>> that's exactly what's mostly other community did. But as you >>>>>>>>>>> feel that it's not working well, that's probably means, people >>>>>>>>>>> are lazy, in nature(though I think it's may be improved with >>>>>>>>>>> CC'ing someone directly, but this should not be an issue even >>>>>>>>>>> with our current mailing list policy). >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > 2 - If someone starts a thread, I would expect that they >>>>>>>>>>> > would actually pay attention to that thread! I've seen times >>>>>>>>>>> > when people start a thread, but don't respond to queries from >>>>>>>>>>> > others in the community. This is especially vexing when the >>>>>>>>>>> > thread is about a work that's in progress. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That's exactly what we want to address. People are not intently >>>>>>>>>>> drop the thread, most of time, they just forgot. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you start e.g. 5 threads in a day, you maybe miss one or two >>>>>>>>>>> of them in the next day. Or you start a thread one week ago but >>>>>>>>>>> only got response 1 week later, you also may be miss it >>>>>>>>>>> completely. And I personally feel even I am intently to find >>>>>>>>>>> back my thread, it would take 10s even 30s to find my thread - >>>>>>>>>>> it's very possible I missed it when skim for the first time, >>>>>>>>>>> then realize where is that thread? Then check back again(that's >>>>>>>>>>> what's happened to me this morning). That's very annoying. I >>>>>>>>>>> suppose we would deal with the mailing list based on a >>>>>>>>>>> priority, even we would skim them all. Of course on the top of >>>>>>>>>>> priority list is the threads I involved. But I cannot tell >>>>>>>>>>> which one it is with a glimpse in tens even hundreds of mails. >>>>>>>>>>> What's we want, is we can pay attention to our threads >>>>> easily. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> LKML received hundreds of mail every day, I cannot image how >>>>>>>>>>> can Linus Torvalds or Andrew Morton survive if the mail is only >>>>>>>>>>> sent to mailing list, and they have to go through all the mails >>>>>>>>>>> to find out which one got their attention yesterday(though I >>>>>>>>>>> also believe they got tons of CC or TO mails as well). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --Sheng >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Thoughts? >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > -chip >>>>> >>
